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“International Burn A Koran Day”
07-26-2010, 04:52 PM
Post: #1
“International Burn A Koran Day”
So, Christians. Is that what you do? What ever happened to Do unto others as you would have others do unto you? Would you like it if someone were to burn your bible?

People should be upset about this. Not just people who follow islam, but Christians and Atheists too. This is not how I would want to be treated.


Bad Guy, http://www.doveworld.org/



I read about this Story on Hemant's Blog, the just of it is burning the Koran on September 11th to celebrate (?) International Burn A Koran Day.

Link to original story, http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/07/22/an.../#comments

I just think people should be asking themselves if this is the image you want your religion to project to the world. Because this is what sticks out to atheists such as myself.

Thanks for reading, and obviously, if I offended anyone. Sorry.
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07-26-2010, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2010 06:41 PM by Ahmadi.)
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
To protest the violent streak in the right wing Christians, read an article, the Holy Quran as the Miracle of the Holy Prophet:

In the 21st century residents of a European country, namely the Swiss voters have backed a ban on building any more mosques with minarets in their country. The Holy Quran, revealed in the desert of Arabia in the seventh century stated that the purpose of defensive warfare is to preserve the sanctity of cloisters, churches, synagogues and mosques. The Quran named the place of worship of the Muslims as the last on this sacred list. Is the Quran a miracle or not?

Religious tolerance is not the only teaching wherein the Holy Quran excels all other secular books or religious scriptures. Since 1982 half a million people have died in USA alone in alcohol related traffic accidents, to name only one problem from alcohol. The Holy Quran emphatically forbade alcohol, saving the believers from this mother of many evils. Is it a miracle or not? Sir Godfrey Higgins wrote, "By the law of Mohamed all games of chance were expressly prohibited: the beneficial tendency of this law surely no one will deny. He is refused all merit for his morality, because it is said that he only copied it from the Bible. I have not observed the prohibition of this vice either in the decalogue or the gospels." Fifteen million people now display some sign of gambling addiction in USA, and inflict themselves and the society with pain. The Holy Quran nipped the evil in the bud. Is it a miracle or not?

"Mohamedism is reproached with copying its morality from the gospel;” Sir Godfrey Higgins wrote in the defense of the Prophet, “a philosopher, perhaps, may suspect that when the prophet was availing himself of the excellent moral precepts of Christianism, he had sense, not only to take the good, but to leave the evil; to adopt the morality, but to avoid the hired priesthood which, in his day, had filled the world with bloodshed and misery, and was rapidly reducing it to a state of the most debasing ignorance." The Holy Quran forbade monasticism in clear terms.

For rest of the article go to:

http://knol.google.com/k/zia-shah/the-ho...umbuyp/55#

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07-26-2010, 06:46 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
But we like our booze and poker. Don't mess with it.

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07-26-2010, 08:29 PM (This post was last modified: 07-26-2010 08:31 PM by Ahmadi.)
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
But that is only a part of the article, we can leave the toughest negotiation for last! Read the article or watch a movie about the Prophet Muhammad.

In the Islamic tradition, he is the Quran incarnate, to know him is to know the Quran and to know the Quran is to know him.

A good place for the non-Muslims to start learning about the Holy Prophet Muhammad is a movie named the Message: Mohammed: Messenger of God
(1976) Rated PG.


The back cover states, “After seeing a vision of the Angel Gabriel, Mohammad calls to the people of Mecca to cast aside the 300 idols of Kaaba and worship only one God. Starring Anthony Quinn and Irene Papas, this breathtaking historical epic about the birth of the Islamic faith took six years to prepare and more than a year to film. It received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Score.”


The movie can be watched at the following link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ooivChEIlE

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07-27-2010, 01:16 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
(07-26-2010 04:52 PM)CarolineBelle Wrote:  So, Christians. Is that what you do?...

Wow, is that how you use guilt by association? Can't you see that http://www.doveworld.org has all the earmarks of a cult?

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07-28-2010, 02:34 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
Well, I guess it is a case of (false) guilt by association. The only thing is that, all of Christianity sort of looks like a Cult to someone who is outside the system of christian belief. I think it is really important for people who are christian to set a good example and stand up against things people who pretend to be christian do while saying they are christian.

I am certainly not accusing anyone of anything. Or trying to make anyone feel guilty. I just think it is important to know that someone who comes from an atheist view-point sees this and associates it with Christianity.
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07-28-2010, 02:51 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
(07-28-2010 02:34 PM)CarolineBelle Wrote:  ...all of Christianity sort of looks like a Cult to someone who is outside the system of christian belief...

I suppose that is as good a reason as any for those who are outsiders to refrain from knee-jerk criticisms of people who are insiders to a particular group. While it's always appropriate to criticize a particular person or organization (i.e., doveworld.org), it's rarely appropriate to juge the entire diversity of Christian thought and practive merely on the basis of this or that fringe group or individual.


(07-28-2010 02:34 PM)CarolineBelle Wrote:  ...I think it is really important for people who are christian to set a good example...

No argument there.


(07-28-2010 02:34 PM)CarolineBelle Wrote:  ...and stand up against things people who pretend to be christian do while saying they are christian...

Well, that is somewhat problematic. Do we really need to spend all of our time swatting flies? And besides, what do non-Christians think when a Christian says, "That's not Christianity, that's a cult" and the cultist responds with, "No, we're the real thing and you're the cult"? This sort of spectacle doesn't seem to soothe anyone's jitters regarding the true nature of Christianity.

There are a few Christians who post here, and often one or more of us will respond to so-called "Christians" here who are clearly out of the mainstream, but it always seems that the cultists have more time on their hands, and they can always respond with one more post. I'd rather spend my time on more meaningful activities.

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07-28-2010, 03:06 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
I can see where your coming from. Especially time constraints. Crazy people seem to have much more time then the rest of it.

But I know that if there was someone claiming to be an atheist who was doing stuff like this it would really bother me. There are millions of Christians out there. It seems like there would at least be a few who would have the time to do something about this level of hate. Especially when the people spreading this hate are claiming to be christian.

I hope I did not offend you. I understand that it is not fair to judge a religion as a whole. And I am certainly not trying to imply that all Christians think Islam is the Devil, or have the same level of hate that this church/cult does.
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07-28-2010, 03:20 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
(07-28-2010 03:06 PM)CarolineBelle Wrote:  ...There are millions of Christians out there. It seems like there would at least be a few who would have the time to do something about this level of hate. Especially when the people spreading this hate are claiming to be christian...

If the person behind the hateful activity happens to be associated with any legitimate church or church denomination, then that church or that denomination can (and usually will) take steps to denounce and/or discipline the offender. But if the hate-activist is not part of any legitimate church or denomination, there's not much we can do except try to give a better witness ourselves.

If you stick around here long enough, you will encounter enough loopy atheists, and you'll then have a better understanding of the problem--and of the limitations involved no matter how you try to deal with it.

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07-30-2010, 02:51 PM
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RE: “International Burn A Koran Day”
"DoveWorld," which apprently has about 50 members, is denounced by the National Association of Evangelicals.

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