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1. PERSPECTIVISM - GOD
01-15-2010, 04:07 PM (This post was last modified: 01-15-2010 04:13 PM by elanghorus.)
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1. PERSPECTIVISM - GOD
GOD THE ARTIST

"I do not need to believe in God because I am"

As creator, artists manifest their essence/persona though their artworks. By the mean of free will (freedom to choose), artists express themselves through creation of artworks that tells stories. The diversity of creations is part of the process toward perfection, in which each of artwork tells the essence of perfection of its creator at each fragments of time.

Totality is absolutely required for manifesting the perfect creation, in which the artist managed to fully unite with artwork which becomes (total reflection of) their self. The Perfect Creation...

Man is God's perfect creation. The complete manifestation/totality from/of the Perfect Creator. Begin from Perfection (of the Perfect Creator) and to return to Perfection (of the Perfect Creator) - Man of God and God of Man...

THE LOGOS

"Man needs God in order to be perfect"

"Could man achieve perfection without God?"

Q: Why should man believe in God when His/Her/Its perfection can not be described?

A: How could question about perfection be asked, when the axiom of 'perfect' itself being eliminated?

The initial concept/premise of perfection is (from/about) God, the Creator. Where as initial concept of perfection of man came from the story of creation which stated Adam as God's perfect creation. Therefore man can only be perfect when they believe in the perfection of God who created them in His/Her/Its image.

Consequently, assuming that God (The Perfect One) ever re-announce/re-consider the existence of man as imperfect (either caused by original sins, eating forbidden fruit, Eve fault, etc), would not it make the essence the creator also become imperfect?

That perfection premise then does not exist? - Nihilism?

Man needs the axiom of "Perfect" in order to understand, to question, to believe or to achieve perfection. Just like inseparable bond of artist to their artwork; to deny the perfection of God (Creator); mean also to deny the perfection of Man itself (Creation). The freedom of choice (free will) is the determining factor for the perfection and the imperfection of human essence.

Freedom of choice is essential core of/for the perfection of The Creator and Its Creation.
THE PERFECT PARADOX

"Paradox is the manifestation of perfection."

"Can God create a boulder that he can not lift?"

The paradox on God's manifestation as the Perfect Creator (able to create any kind of objects); and the Mighty Ones (able to lift any kind of objects). The answers to question above clearly depends on individual perspective, as choosing God as Perfect Creator is eliminating the Almighty One and vice versa. Perspective is the basic human perception formed by ego. Therefore; ego is the most decisive factor of human understanding in meaning the essence of Perfection/God.

Man with bowing/insignificant ego will place their existence in lower part (less valuable element) on the creation scheme; by never questioning about certain aspects of God existence, or considering themselves bounded by eternal disabilities to understand the Perfection of God; while man with conceit Ego; will reject the perfection of God, or negate the existence of The Perfect One.

Both illustrate the general characteristics of perception from human ego in form duality in meaning single essence of perfection of The One; to produce both answer that equally absurd.

How is it possible for man ego to understand the meaning of perfection, when they have already self-declared themselves as being eternally imperfect/unworthy? Ironically, many individuals/groups with such ego are often repeatedly preached about God's way of perfection. Is it not takes one to recognize the other? How is it possible for the imperfect to describe/preaching the perfection of the Perfect Creator?

Is not the same as a color-blind who tries to convince others that this world is truly colorful?

How is it also possible for conceit ego to feel (more) perfect, when it has actually demise the premise of "perfect" itself? Is not (the term) 'perfect' no longer exist once ego exceeded it? Does not it mean that eternally ego will also never understand comprehend or achieving perfection? Nihilism?

The paradoxical problem above is actually easy to be solve if one willing to reflect on building block of ego perception which is the form of duality. The regarded correct answers, duly reflected on dual nature of ego perception belong to the owner of the question:

"Can God create a boulder that he can not lift?"

1. God can do it - if certain answer make the ego (who wants perfection) feel more completion. Or,

2. God can not do it - if certain answer make the ego (who wants perfection) feel more completion.

There are interesting thing can be deduced from both of the answers above; that the ego always wants perfection, and can do whatever its desire base on its freedom to choose. Egos can do whatever they want in accord or to against the perfect manifestation of God; as much as the perfect manifestation of God can do whatever it take to maintain/pleased the will of the ego. But it need s to be underlined that both answers can only be regarded as 'perfect', when the perfection of God is being retained/not eliminated.

The first answer can easily regarded as perfect answer; as it maintain the 'perfect' essence of God's , while the second answer can only be regarded as perfect; when the perfection of God still being maintained upon premise "can not" which being attributed as part of God manifestation.

By maintaining the axiom/premise of "perfect/perfection" (as God's essence/attribute), will appears that dual form of "can" or "can not" is but a form of 'illusion' projected by dual nature of ego perception, of maintaining/projecting their self perfection.

The reminder on the importance of having limits, or for not exceeds the prime cause/axiom of Perfection (God) to avoid nihilism. Universal/Ancient wisdom which had been implicitly expressed by various religions and spiritual teaching:

Man is the perfect creation, but they shall not overcome (their) God."

"Man needs God to be perfect". (To achieve perfection/godliness)
EGO PERCEPTION

The Duality of Ego

"Ego recognizing The One in two"

Duality is but a phase of ego perception where as embodiment of one being perceived as two separate aspects of existence. Day and night, light and dark, positive and negative, good and bad, and so on. Each aspect of duality is composed in the form of opposition/contradiction, in which one aspect being depicted as superior or try to overcome/dominate the other; noon is the opposite of the night, light is the opposite of the dark, positive is the opposite of negative, good is the opposite of bad and so on.

If light and dark were external factors captured by human sensory and being perceived as reality, how can an individual understand good and bad, when it can not be directly captured by human sensory? Does not that indirectly implies that human ego (perception) is manifesting the form of duality either it using human sensory or without?

Does sensory of human which perceive the reality of duality; or is it ego which maintain human sensory to project the 'illusion' of duality? Does not the axiom of The Perfect One (God) is indeed to direct/to guide ego (perception) toward perfection?

The Trinity of Ego

"Ego recognizing duality in action"

The basic essence of ego is looking for perfection. I believe that trinity (three in one or vice versa) is part evolutionary phase of ego perception in order to completely understand the meaning of perfection.

As ego begin to understand, that the existence of two separate/different elements of duality are complementary; there is no day without night, there is no goodness without evil, no positive without negative, and so on; therefore, there is always an active force/process between the two complementary aspects.

Trinity is the sublimation of certain force/process into the 3rd aspect/form of element which completing dual element in duality. Additional aspect which always applies/appears in duality phenomena. Further/Better perception/expression on the manifestation of The (Perfect) One.

Father-Son-Holy Ghost, Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu, Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis are examples of trinity form of ego perception.

Father-Son-Holy Ghost

Son is the complementary element for Father (in duality) where as The Holy Ghost is the sublimation of the 3rd element which connect both element in perfect cycle of relation. Figuratively; the Holy Ghost element gained the highest position among the three.

Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu

In Hindu Trinity; Vishnu is the Preserver, Brahma the Creator, and Shiva the Destroyer. Adherents of Siva-ism, worship Shiva on the highest position among the three elements, while adherent of Vishnu-ism considering Vishnu as the supreme one.

Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis

In the modern world, thesis, antithesis and synthesis are equivalent in position.
The Duality in Trinity

In some cases, the duality form of ego perception still taking a role in perceiving trinity phenomena. Psychological aspect is the essential factor in determining how forms of trinity being objectively translated/manifested.

I assume that in the trinity form of Father-Son-Holy Ghost, psychological factors that underlie the search for tranquility, peace or joy in afterlife (abstract conception), became the basis for the ego to place the (abstract) elements of Holy Ghost in the highest place among the three. Ego attachment to older form of duality perception (higher-lower) also has role in determining the hierarchy level from such elements.

From the very beginning; Catholicism, has been based upon strict duality dogma; which strictly emphasizes the higher and lower (contrast) positioning between the creator (God) and Its creation (Man). Both son and father, are common elements/symbols/attributes apply to man (lower hierarchy); therefore higher position should be represented by abstract elements which has no association to man - The Holy Ghost (The Unknown).

In Hindu Trinity, all three elements are not seen as a symbol that can be associated by the common man. Adherents of Shiva-ism, put Shiva in the supreme position when its element represents the opposite/balance aspect of Brahma. This is different from adherents of Vishnu-ism which regards Vishnu as the highest one among the three.

Hinduism, as one of the oldest cult, revealed when people are still very far to understand/overcome the nature. I assume that psychological factors which are underlined by anxiety, fear, threats, damage, or destruction of man by nature; may be the major factor underlying the (ego of) adherent of Shiva-ism (attached to the duality of higher-lower aspect of creator-creation), to regard (aspect represented by) Shiva at the highest position. Although different things manifest in the way of adherent of Vishnu-ism; both implicitly describes the involvement of duality (perception) from the ego, in interpreting/manifesting the trinity phenomena.

Similar objective can also be extracted on how modern scientist regards the factors; thesis-antithesis-synthesis as equal or mutually exclusive; as the duality form of ego does not take any role in it.

From above examples, it appears that the ego has the freedom to choose the form of understanding concerning the trinity aspect, where as the attachment to old form of duality 'illusion' is only presented when ego tries to meaning the essence of God's perfection.

It seems that psychological factors of duality (higher-lower in trinity observation) only present when ego preserve its existence (only) as the lower aspect of the creation scheme. Something which is not occurs in the observation of (trinity) thesis-antithesis-synthesis; where as ego can be regarded as its creator/inventor.

It possible that any form of duality (higher-lower positioning) is in fact direct reflection/reaction from ego base on the story of creation of man by God? Is creator and creation merely separate reality ever perceived by ego? Or ego itself which projecting duality form of creator and creation? Where as the Creator is the Co-Creator...?

Son = Thesis, Father = Antithesis-Holy Ghost = Synthesis, Brahma = Thesis, Shiva = Antithesis, Vishnu = Synthesis. Without duality perception from ego taking a role, the universal form of trinity (thesis-antithesis-synthesis), can be sublimated or being extracted on/from any other forms of trinity. It seems that time has brought better understanding upon the manifestation of Perfection (The Perfect One).

Interesting point to consider is that the trinity forms of conception has long been existed and understood before the emerging of duality conception (monotheism religion), or modern science of thesis-antithesis-synthesis being introduced.

Does it imply that the manifestation of The Perfect One (God) has always been perfect from the very beginning? And that the evolution of human perception is toward perfection?

To be continued...

Theist Vs Atheist Debate: "Does God Not Exist?" (Part 1/3)
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01-15-2010, 04:45 PM
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(01-15-2010 04:45 PM)Parousia Wrote:  Hi and welcome to the Religion Forums.

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