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07-29-2009, 06:41 AM
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666
There are 66 books in the Protestant Bible. Hey, hang on a minute, that is only one digit short of 666, isn't it?

I had better get Raphael onto it right away.
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07-29-2009, 07:40 AM
Post: #2
RE: 666
All that numbers stuff pretty much floats over my head. I prefer words..
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07-29-2009, 10:06 AM
Post: #3
RE: 666
Whew ... I thought it was just me!

I thought I was going to have to put my handy-dandy binary translator page on my desktop!

¡sıɥʇ ǝʞıן uoıʇɔunɟ ǝɯ sǝʞɐɯ puɐ ʇɹnɥ pɐǝɥ ʎɯ sǝʞɐɯ ʎɹɐuıq

Justice -- When you get what you deserve.
Mercy -- When you don't get what you deserve.
Grace -- When you get what you don't deserve.
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07-29-2009, 12:37 PM
Post: #4
RE: 666
I'm actually surprised GodRocks gave in and made this forum. I think I've seen maybe one other person besides Raphael on this forum who was interested in gematria and number theory.

I'm back baby! Thanks for everyone who sent me PMs asking what had happened to me.
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07-29-2009, 07:52 PM
Post: #5
RE: 666
(07-29-2009 12:37 PM)GTseng3 Wrote:  I'm actually surprised GodRocks gave in and made this forum. I think I've seen maybe one other person besides Raphael on this forum who was interested in gematria and number theory.

And I thought someone really wanted to talk about the meaning of 666... Sad Big Grin
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07-30-2009, 06:16 AM (This post was last modified: 07-30-2009 06:28 AM by Raphael.)
Post: #6
RE: 666
(07-29-2009 12:37 PM)GTseng3 Wrote:  I'm actually surprised GodRocks gave in and made this forum. I think I've seen maybe one other person besides Raphael on this forum who was interested in gematria and number theory.

GAVE IN? Tongue
Considering Gematria is as old as the bible itself...
Well it is about time eh?
Glad to see God Rocks has an open mind, and is really serious about providing an 'open forum'...

And not just another forum that pits modern science vs. ancient religious debates...

(07-29-2009 07:52 PM)Parousia Wrote:  And I thought someone really wanted to talk about the meaning of 666... Sad Big Grin

I do.
what are you offering...?

666 could be ... CARBON 12
fact: All life needs CARBON 12 to qualify as life.

And the carbon cycle is paramount to our survival.

Carbon 12 is:
6 protons
6 neutrons
6 electrons

Or Plato spoke of 666 too, never ONCE mentioning the devil.

Quote:Plato alludes to the fact that 216 is equal to 6^3, where 6 is one of the numbers representing marriage since it is the product to the female 2 and the male 3. Plato was also aware of the fact the sum of the cubes of the 3-4-5 Pythagorean triple is equal to 3^3+4^3+5^3=216 (Livio 2002, p. 66).

So Plato mentions the female = 2 and the male = 3
hmm
What we have here are the first two primes also.
Add the first two primes together to find the third?
So woman (1) + man (1) = 3?
OR the two primes called woman (2) + man (3) = 5?

2 + 3 = 5
The first three primes, 2, 3, and 5, are essential to understanding the composition of music and the circle of fifths?
What would Pythagoras say about the circle of fifths?

So 666 leads me to a discussion of the building blocks of life (carbon life forms), science, music and maybe a universal harmony based on SOUND?
Is that why Joseph Goebbels the NAZI propaganda minister, also wanted to establish a global consensus ... that the note 'A' should be 440 hertz?
His recommendation being accepted in 1956, the year after Einstein died?

What do you want to discuss Parousia re: 666?
Eh?
Spit it out dude.
Use math or your religion...whatever.
What are you offering re: 666?
Just another BS comment about the devil incarnate as evil NAZIs?

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07-30-2009, 04:01 PM (This post was last modified: 07-30-2009 04:02 PM by Parousia.)
Post: #7
RE: 666
(07-30-2009 06:16 AM)Raphael Wrote:  And not just another forum that pits modern science vs. ancient religious debates...

666 could be ... CARBON 12
fact: All life needs CARBON 12 to qualify as life.

And the carbon cycle is paramount to our survival.

Carbon 12 is:
6 protons
6 neutrons
6 electrons

Or Plato spoke of 666 too, never ONCE mentioning the devil.

Quote:Plato alludes to the fact that 216 is equal to 6^3, where 6 is one of the numbers representing marriage since it is the product to the female 2 and the male 3. Plato was also aware of the fact the sum of the cubes of the 3-4-5 Pythagorean triple is equal to 3^3+4^3+5^3=216 (Livio 2002, p. 66).
...
What do you want to discuss Parousia re: 666?
Eh?
Spit it out dude.
Use math or your religion...whatever.
What are you offering re: 666?
Just another BS comment about the devil incarnate as evil NAZIs?

Let's take a closer look at this 666 business at the source.

Quote:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Revelation 13:16-18

Gematria involves adding up ("count the number") the numerical values associated with a word or name. The number 666 is six hundred and sixty six. It is not the digits 6 6 6. That extraction would require the use of decimal notation, which would not get invented for several centuries yet. The number six hundred and sixty six would be expressed as DXLXVI in Roman numerals for example.

So any purported meaning that involves the digits 6 6 6 as opposed to the number six hundred and sixty six is simply unjustifiable.

It is the number of a name of a man. So any interpretation that does not refer to the name of a man is also clearly inapplicable.

The common interpretation by biblical scholars is that it refers to Nero who was certainly coinsidered a beast by Christians in that era and seems to fit the description in Revelation 13.

We may also note the use of the number 666 in the OT.

Quote:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
1 Kings 10:14

Note also that Revelation refers to wisdom (Solomon’s forte) immediately before mentioning the number.

It has to be the number six hundred and sixty six (not the digits 6 6 6) and it has to somehow be the name of a man. Can you stay in those parameters and top the Nero theory?

Now about Plato…

Quote:The Pythagoreans associated Opportunity with the number 7, Justice with the number 4, Marriage with the number 5, Masculinity with odd numbers and Femininity with even numbers.
Pythagoras biography

Sorry, Marriage is not 6 but 5, the sum of 2 and 3, not the product. And all odd numbers were masculine and all even numbers feminine. In that male dominated society, marriage was masculine, not feminine.
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07-30-2009, 07:46 PM (This post was last modified: 07-30-2009 09:24 PM by Raphael.)
Post: #8
RE: 666
(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  So any purported meaning that involves the digits 6 6 6 as opposed to the number six hundred and sixty six is simply unjustifiable.

maybe...
Pythagoras would say 6+6+6 OR 600 + 66 = 18 = 9
Plato would answer that 666 = 216 = 9
Maybe 9 is the answer?
Nein?

(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  It is the number of a name of a man. So any interpretation that does not refer to the name of a man is also clearly inapplicable.

clearly...
clearly...

(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  It has to be the number six hundred and sixty six (not the digits 6 6 6) and it has to somehow be the name of a man.

it has to be?
lol
says who?
You or ewe
or maybe the bible scholars who have been at odds for 2000+ years?

(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  Can you stay in those parameters and top the Nero theory?
Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (15 December AD 37–9 June AD 68)

Nero's birthdate 15 / 12 / 37 contains the Fibonacci code?
151237 unscramble:
11235 plus 7...
...coincidence. Wink

(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  Now about Plato…

Sorry, Marriage is not 6 but 5, the sum of 2 and 3, not the product.

sorry for what? Sad
Sorry because you found a source that trumps mine?

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...I was only quoting Mario Livio who got an award for his book about phi.
Contact him, tell him and Wolfram Mathworld to update their databases...okay? Wink
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PlatosNumbers.html
And I will contact Mario Livio about some other glaring mistakes/assumptions that he made in his highly acclaimed book.
Experts are often wrong.

Like I said, I do prefer 2 + 3 = 5 anyway.
First 3 primes, Circle of fifths etc...

And I still do prefer Plato's reference to 216 = 6 x 6 x 6.
And I have already proved Angelic that the Shemhamphorash = 216 = Fibonacci

I am still waiting for proof that the Shemhamphorash and the number 216 are NOT referencing the Fibonacci sequence.
...and 216 = 666 according to Plato?

Do we believe Plato and his story about the destruction of Atlantis and his reference to the number 216 = 666?

OR

Do we believe the story of the patriarch Noah and an Ark and a flood and a narrative where 666 is the number of a man, the anti-christ?

Can both stories co-exist, can Atlantis and Noah share the same stage?
Which one needed to be discredited as a myth and the other one became a fact?

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07-30-2009, 09:57 PM
Post: #9
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Wait, you hold up Mario Livio as a source, and then you say that he's wrong and you will contact him about errors he made?

Really?

I mean, lets not go into how you responded to Anglican's perfectly valid critique of using a western method of numbering 666 by, wait for it . . . USING THE SAME DEBUNKED METHOD OF ADDING 666 AGAIN. Lets go into holding up a source as supporting you, then saying that source is wrong.

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07-30-2009, 10:39 PM
Post: #10
RE: 666
(07-30-2009 07:46 PM)Raphael Wrote:  
(07-30-2009 04:01 PM)Parousia Wrote:  It has to be the number six hundred and sixty six (not the digits 6 6 6) and it has to somehow be the name of a man.

it has to be?
lol
says who?

Says the author of Revelation. Go read chapter 13 again. It’s all there as I have already quoted.

(07-30-2009 07:46 PM)Raphael Wrote:  Nero's birthdate 15 / 12 / 37 contains the Fibonacci code?
151237 unscramble:
11235 plus 7...
...coincidence. Wink

Too bad they did not use the decimal notation system in those days, without which the decimal expansion of phi does not work. And I have already explained at great length elsewhere why ‘scrambled’ versions of phi are inherently valueless.

(07-30-2009 07:46 PM)Raphael Wrote:  ...I was only quoting Mario Livio who got an award for his book about phi.

No you were not. Look at page 34 of the award winning book you cite and discover that Livio says that marriage = 5. (Do you think you are the only one who reads?)

I have previously shown why all of your references to phi via manipulation of digits is invalid. Phi is a number, not a set of digits. Extracting some of the decimal digits (and decimal notation did not exist for many hundreds of years after Plato and Pythagoras) and rearranging them destroys the meaning of phi and its relationship to the Fibonacci series. Your fooling around is meaningless, like rearranging the letters extracted from a page to form new words.
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