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Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
09-08-2013, 10:20 PM
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Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic (I lean towards athiesm VERY Reluctantly, though I am currently experimenting with Shinto desperately hoping to feel SOMETHING from the kami.) Who finds the mere EXISTENCE of happy Athiests , who are quite content, with their lives, and and comfortable with the notion that Death is the END of everything, upsetting even offensive... And Im like "Uhmn,, that means when your brain stops undergoing neuro chemical inputs, you go puff life has no meaning," (yes yes yes I KNOW "But what we give it"

"As I said, life has NO meaning"

And morality is nothing but a Social construct...


Erm, Im bringing up too many issues for my opening post... anyone else whos TERRIFIED beyond words at the mere idea of "Oblivion" and finds the mere existence of those who handle it more calmly upsetting.
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09-08-2013, 10:23 PM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
I'm a Theist. I'm comfortable thinking that after life, there's nothing more to life. That's the Atheist position, yet somehow it's not really that bothersome to me. My worry, either as an Atheist or Theist, is the uncertainty of when death will strike. I really don't want it to strike before I feel I've accomplished my great work as a human being. I think that's a valid worry that many other people, Theist or Atheist, have. We want to have a fulfilled life in mortality, and what worries us most is not really death or what lies after it, as it is dying randomly and too unexpectedly and soon.

"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -Justin Martyr
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09-08-2013, 11:03 PM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
Quote:happy Athiests , who are quite content, with their lives
Why shouldn't an atheist be content with their life?
Quote:and comfortable with the notion that Death is the END of everything
Just because I accept that that is true, doesn't mean I'm ok with it. We should be working to prevent death, especially death by old age and disease. I contribute to vaccination campaigns in third-world countries for this reason, so we can remove some of the biggest causes of death. It's no use having an emotional breakdown upon confronting the concept. Although it is understandable; I have had such breakdowns in the past, take a look at my blog thread posts from when my grandmother died for example.
Quote:yes yes yes I KNOW "But what we give it"
Look, even if I had been created by some sort of God, his opinion of what my purpose is, is still just another opinion. His status as God doesn't make it any less opinion, because "purpose" itself is just an opinion. I may use my computer mainly for forums, games and pornography but that is the purpose of the computer only in my opinion. From my parents' point of view I should be using it to do my schoolwork (but I use the school computers for that instead.)
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09-08-2013, 11:42 PM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2013 11:44 PM by AgnosticScholar.)
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
(09-08-2013 11:03 PM)rocketboy9000 Wrote:  
Quote:happy Athiests , who are quite content, with their lives
Why shouldn't an atheist be content with their life?
Quote:and comfortable with the notion that Death is the END of everything
Just because I accept that that is true, doesn't mean I'm ok with it. We should be working to prevent death, especially death by old age and disease. I contribute to vaccination campaigns in third-world countries for this reason, so we can remove some of the biggest causes of death. It's no use having an emotional breakdown upon confronting the concept. Although it is understandable; I have had such breakdowns in the past, take a look at my blog thread posts from when my grandmother died for example.
Quote:yes yes yes I KNOW "But what we give it"
Look, even if I had been created by some sort of God, his opinion of what my purpose is, is still just another opinion. His status as God doesn't make it any less opinion, because "purpose" itself is just an opinion. I may use my computer mainly for forums, games and pornography but that is the purpose of the computer only in my opinion. From my parents' point of view I should be using it to do my schoolwork (but I use the school computers for that instead.)

Fair points.

not saying that Having a emotional breakdown is GOOD neccessarily, just that its lack feels like "dissonant serenity"


at least to me.
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09-09-2013, 12:40 AM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
(09-08-2013 10:20 PM)AgnosticScholar Wrote:  Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic (I lean towards athiesm VERY Reluctantly, though I am currently experimenting with Shinto desperately hoping to feel SOMETHING from the kami.) Who finds the mere EXISTENCE of happy Athiests , who are quite content, with their lives, and and comfortable with the notion that Death is the END of everything, upsetting even offensive... And Im like "Uhmn,, that means when your brain stops undergoing neuro chemical inputs, you go puff life has no meaning," (yes yes yes I KNOW "But what we give it"

"As I said, life has NO meaning"

And morality is nothing but a Social construct...


Erm, Im bringing up too many issues for my opening post... anyone else whos TERRIFIED beyond words at the mere idea of "Oblivion" and finds the mere existence of those who handle it more calmly upsetting.

I am not terrified of oblivion.

The thought of dying fills me with great sadness, mainly for the thought that I will no longer be with my loved ones, but that only makes me more motivated to try and enjoy every possible moment that I have with them.

I emphatically disagree with the notion that life has no meaning, I believe that the meaning that we give our own lives can be more noble than the concept that we are living our lives for another's purpose. I believe it was Christopher Hitchens that likened the latter concept to slavery under a tyrant. Can't say that I would go that far and I think there is a fair amount of sensationalism in that statement in order to prove a point.

As for morality being a social construct, a successful and prosperous society for all humanity (and maybe some of the more cunning monkeys) should be the only purpose of morality so why shouldn't society construct the moral and ethic system?

He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how. - Nietzsche
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09-09-2013, 06:16 AM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
Acceptance is a powerful thing. If you fear death you must also feel that life is precious. If you can come to terms with death you will be better equipped to enjoy life and be happy.
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12-01-2013, 02:44 PM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
A lot of 'fears' surrouding death, comes from the notion that there is an after life, where we will somehow be judged, and sent to who knows where, for our deeds here on earth. Once you let go of that idea, you won't fear death. To me, death is the end to suffering, if one did suffer on earth, and the 'after life' might be something completely foreign to what we have all been taught or have imagined. It might be that our energy goes back into the earth...bringing forth new energy. I'm just guessing, but I think that people unnecessarily fear death, and that puts a damper on living life. Life is meant to be lived, and the mistakes you make along the way, shape you, and make you who you are, just as much as the good decisions. It is sad that so many people go through life worried about an after life, worried that they are filled with 'sin,' instead of living life each day at a time, trying to make the most of the here and now. I think that the after life, the kind I was taught to believe in as a Christian when I was one, cheapens this life...as if 'this' life isn't good enough, for the one to follow is what we should strive for. To each's own, I don't judge anyone for what they believe, but to fear death robs you of a good life...NOW.
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04-07-2014, 10:50 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2014 11:30 PM by Mufasa.)
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
(09-09-2013 12:40 AM)Flipper Wrote:  I emphatically disagree with the notion that life has no meaning, I believe that the meaning that we give our own lives can be more noble than the concept that we are living our lives for another's purpose.

What about a life that begins, lasts only a few years, and then ceases? Theists tend to see life on a continuum -- what seems like the beginning was not the beginning and what seems like the end was not the end. Between the birth and the death was merely a stage of forgetfulness with a grander purpose in the larger scheme. For an atheist, there cannot be a purpose to pointless suffering.

But to be clear, the fact that atheism does not offer purpose and hope does not therefore make atheists wrong. But it would be depressing, if true. So I reject the regurgitated atheist claim that, knowing there is nothing beyond only means that they live each second more importantly. No-- knowing that each action will have some larger impact and purpose, as theists do, that's what makes one live each second to the fullest. Knowing that, no matter how badly you might be suffering now, there's something greater to come out of this... that's purpose, that's hope, and that's what leads one to live life -- even a miserable life -- to the fullest.
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04-08-2014, 12:02 AM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
(04-07-2014 10:50 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  and that's what leads one to live life -- even a miserable life -- to the fullest.

Do you really think that a person who has a miserable life feels he/she is "living live to the fullest" because of the notion there is a god? I think they feel life is miserable, and in fact this forum is full of people turned atheist specifically because they found that those two (existence of a god and human suffering) are quite a dissonant and illogical thought...

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04-08-2014, 12:26 AM
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RE: Am I the only Reluctant Athiest/Agnostic Who cant stand happy athiests?
(04-08-2014 12:02 AM)Herminator Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 10:50 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  and that's what leads one to live life -- even a miserable life -- to the fullest.

Do you really think that a person who has a miserable life feels he/she is "living live to the fullest" because of the notion there is a god? I think they feel life is miserable, and in fact this forum is full of people turned atheist specifically because they found that those two (existence of a god and human suffering) are quite a dissonant and illogical thought...

I think people respond to suffering differently. But I think belief can make each second more significant.
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