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And War Broke Out in Heaven...
12-08-2008, 10:16 AM (This post was last modified: 12-08-2008 10:19 AM by Question_It.)
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And War Broke Out in Heaven...
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"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon (Satan) and its angels battled; but it did not prevail. Neither was place found for them any longer in heaven. ..." Revelation 12:6

This passage can be found in the book of Revelation in chapter 12. And if you keep reading, you can learn more details about the war that DID take place in heaven. But heaven has been restored to a stable and peaceful place because the war is past.

The common misconception taught in churchs is that the Christ is God, but Jesus clearly said himself that he is God's son. So what did he mean? From the Bible we learn that the angels are called Sons of the Most High God. These Angels also have different positions. Jesus is called in the scriptures, while in heaven, Michael the Archangel, and he has limited authority given to him by God, over these angels.

There are also angels called Cherubs. If you read the book of Ezekial you will see a description of a Cherub who had the assignment of overseeing the Earth and its inhabitants. He was also to report back to God. But he took his authority beyond what was granted him and induced the first human pair to disobey God's instructions and to listen to him, instead. THIS is why this Cherub earned the name Devil, which means Opposer (of God), and Satan, which means Resister, and both of these titles were earned by this Cherub because of his actions and the result his actions had on Adam and Eve, and their offspring. See: Ezekial chapter 28.

But the Bible is clear in Revelation that war did take place in heaven between angels, not God (it is absurd to imagine that anyone, even a rebellious angel, would attempt to wage his own personal physical war against God). *The fact that these fallen angels can no longer return to heaven expalins why, on a television show where an individual was staying over at a castle in England that was reported to be "haunted", the guest, upon checking out early, explained to the keeper that she was leaving early because she could not sleep for the wailing of another guest.

But the Keeper revealed to the woman that he was the only other person there, and that the weeping was actually a spirit that often wailed and cried out that it wanted to go back home, which was why, he said, they could never keep the place occupied with guests (I can attest to the fact that demons exist because I've seen them, and their title, demon, only describes their behavior that resulted in them being removed from heaven.) The term demon-strate comes from that prefix.
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12-08-2008, 03:58 PM
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Question_It Wrote:This is a response to a member's post about war in heaven:

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon (Satan) and its angels battled; but it did not prevail. Neither was place found for them any longer in heaven. ..." Revelation 12:6

This passage can be found in the book of Revelation in chapter 12. And if you keep reading, you can learn more details about the war that DID take place in heaven. But heaven has been restored to a stable and peaceful place because the war is past.

The common misconception taught in churchs is that the Christ is God, but Jesus clearly said himself that he is God's son. So what did he mean? From the Bible we learn that the angels are called Sons of the Most High God. These Angels also have different positions. Jesus is called in the scriptures, while in heaven, Michael the Archangel, and he has limited authority given to him by God, over these angels.

There are also angels called Cherubs. If you read the book of Ezekial you will see a description of a Cherub who had the assignment of overseeing the Earth and its inhabitants. He was also to report back to God. But he took his authority beyond what was granted him and induced the first human pair to disobey God's instructions and to listen to him, instead. THIS is why this Cherub earned the name Devil, which means Opposer (of God), and Satan, which means Resister, and both of these titles were earned by this Cherub because of his actions and the result his actions had on Adam and Eve, and their offspring. See: Ezekial chapter 28.

But the Bible is clear in Revelation that war did take place in heaven between angels, not God (it is absurd to imagine that anyone, even a rebellious angel, would attempt to wage his own personal physical war against God). *The fact that these fallen angels can no longer return to heaven expalins why, on a television show where an individual was staying over at a castle in England that was reported to be "haunted", the guest, upon checking out early, explained to the keeper that she was leaving early because she could not sleep for the wailing of another guest.

But the Keeper revealed to the woman that he was the only other person there, and that the weeping was actually a spirit that often wailed and cried out that it wanted to go back home, which was why, he said, they could never keep the place occupied with guests (I can attest to the fact that demons exist because I've seen them, and their title, demon, only describes their behavior that resulted in them being removed from heaven.) The term demon-strate comes from that prefix.
so, what did the demon look like? did he/she talk to you? did they want harm you? scare you?
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12-08-2008, 04:07 PM
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If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, why was there a war in heaven?
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12-08-2008, 04:33 PM
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Messenger Wrote:If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, why was there a war in heaven?
had to get rid of some muppets.bit of cleaning.

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12-09-2008, 06:49 AM (This post was last modified: 12-09-2008 08:21 AM by Question_It.)
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Messenger Wrote:If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, why was there a war in heaven?

For the same reason there are wars on earth (knowing that our children will have disagreements doesn't mean they won't have them--even though we as human parents come to know our children very well). If we have more than one child, then we especially know there will be disagreements between them. But wise parents will also allow their children who are of reasonable age, in many instances, to resolve their own disputes without interfering. And if one or both siblings feel the need to include the parents in the resolution, they know they can go to their parents and ask them to resolve the issue. And according to the Bible-write Jude, even angels do this: "But when Michael, the archangel, had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses body (where it would be laid to rest), Michael did not bring a judgement against the Devil with abusive speech, but side:'May the Most High God rebuke you!' " (Jude 9)

The Christ and the Rebel cherub Satan were well-acquainted in heaven. They are both angels (spirit-creatures) and in a spiritual sense, brothers. But the Christ, in heaven, is also called Michael the Archangel who leads the heavenly host. This cherub didn't agree with God or with Michael regarding the heavenly arrangement, so he stirred up conflict--the scriptures say it better: Revelation 12:10 reads: "Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accusses them day and night before our God."

Can you imagine having a sibling who constantly brings accusations against you and any other siblings of the household who don't agree with them, and constantly having to defend yourself against the charges--especially when you know they aren't true. It was time for Satan and any other angels who were in agreement with him, to go, so war broke out in heaven because Satan not only wanted to remain in heaven and change the way God had arranged His court, but he also wanted the angels to start listening to him--but God tolerates no rivalry against His right to govern His own creation; as a result, the rebels were kicked out. Ever since then, Satan has been doing on earth what he does best--stirring up chaos and confusion.

Pray a silent prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ, and request that God help you understand. If you really want to know because you're interested in finding out the truth, then God will sift through your true motive, because God understands our intent.
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11-19-2013, 09:00 AM
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Nice summary, I'll buy that.
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11-19-2013, 12:32 PM
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You have a strange idea of parenthood.

There is no such thing as a "wise parent." Most parents are clued-out fools when it comes to their children. They fantasize that their children are little angels. Meanwhile, those little angels drink alcohol heavily, smoke drugs and commit sodomy.

Based on real life experience many of us have had, the idea of a "wise Father" is silly. I don't think of God as my Father because to think of Him that way would be so insulting to Him as almost to be a mortal sin.
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11-19-2013, 01:19 PM
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The religious refer to god as a wise father figure... I've never heard a theist disagree with the term before. But then again, there are as many descriptions of god as the number of god believers.

By the way, what's wrong with a bit of sodomy here and there?

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11-19-2013, 01:24 PM (This post was last modified: 11-19-2013 01:25 PM by martiin.)
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Huitaca,

Well, maybe the Books insist that God is a wise Father, but the Books also insist that sodomy is a no-no. If we're going to say that a little sodomy here and there is not that bad an idea--and I'm prepared to go along with that--then the Books are wrong on that point; which means the door is open for them to be wrong about God being a clued-out Daddy too. Smile
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11-19-2013, 01:30 PM
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The war in heaven happened on a day when god was resting,
The devil rose against god,
The Angel Michael rose up against the Devil,
Michael had not been given any orders or told to fight them,
The battle went on till god was done resting,
God stopped the fight and both sides fell, the devil for his rebellion and Michael for acting with out being ordered to fight.
That day 2/3 of the angels fell.

That is my account of the war in heaven.

"Hidden underneath the stoned cold surface of every Pious Person lays buried a Kinky Pervert, Stop bringing shovels, Where not digging!"-Azrael
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