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Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
08-01-2017, 03:37 PM
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Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
If I were to answer my own question, I think they can.
Lets take a biunity(2 in 1) as an example:
Theos - Deity or Divinity.
Poly - many
Mono - one or only
so if there is one Divinity but 2 Deities then is Monotheistic or Polytheistic?
It is Monothistic is in the sense that there is one shared divinity, but Polytheistic in the sense that there are 2 deities.
Even if you claim that an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent Deity divided itself into 2 persons and both are omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent then that is 1 Deity that became 2 Deities, the only way that monotheistic "binitarian" religion that defines theos as a deity can work and there on be one deity is if at least 1 of the 2 persons is no longer of a deity, but then it is not a biunity.
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08-01-2017, 04:26 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
Please define all your terms.

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08-01-2017, 04:29 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 04:26 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Please define all your terms.

Which ones?
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08-01-2017, 04:43 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
No, they can't both be true.

Monotheism means, plainly, that there is only one god. Not one divinity and multiple deities; one deity. Polytheism means there are many.

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08-01-2017, 04:46 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 04:29 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:26 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Please define all your terms.

Which ones?

Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity

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08-01-2017, 04:53 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 04:46 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:29 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:26 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Please define all your terms.

Which ones?

Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity
Biunity 2 persons(deities) with 1 divinity
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08-01-2017, 06:55 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 04:53 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:46 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:29 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:26 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Please define all your terms.

Which ones?

Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity
Biunity 2 persons(deities) with 1 divinity

So a deity is a divine person. OK. But a divinity is presumably a god. Two persons in one god. If monotheism involves one god, then it is monotheism, not polytheism. A god having multiple persons does not have to meany that the god divided itself. It might just be the way gods work.

If we are talking about Jesus as one of the persons, he was not omniscient, at least. Matthew 24:36 says that the Father knows things that the Son does not. This sounds like a division like you said and a loss of true divinity. That Jesus gave up his divinity to become human and got it back when he died is suggested by Philippians 2.

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08-01-2017, 07:14 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 06:55 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:53 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:46 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:29 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:26 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Please define all your terms.

Which ones?

Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity
Biunity 2 persons(deities) with 1 divinity

So a deity is a divine person. OK. But a divinity is presumably a god. Two persons in one god. If monotheism involves one god, then it is monotheism, not polytheism. A god having multiple persons does not have to meany that the god divided itself. It might just be the way gods work.

If we are talking about Jesus as one of the persons, he was not omniscient, at least. Matthew 24:36 says that the Father knows things that the Son does not. This sounds like a division like you said and a loss of true divinity. That Jesus gave up his divinity to become human and got it back when he died is suggested by Philippians 2.
Jesus is omniscient, via inherent omniscience, the ability to know anything that one chooses to know.
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08-01-2017, 07:48 PM
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 07:14 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 06:55 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:53 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:46 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:29 PM)Eloh Wrote:  Which ones?

Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity
Biunity 2 persons(deities) with 1 divinity

So a deity is a divine person. OK. But a divinity is presumably a god. Two persons in one god. If monotheism involves one god, then it is monotheism, not polytheism. A god having multiple persons does not have to meany that the god divided itself. It might just be the way gods work.

If we are talking about Jesus as one of the persons, he was not omniscient, at least. Matthew 24:36 says that the Father knows things that the Son does not. This sounds like a division like you said and a loss of true divinity. That Jesus gave up his divinity to become human and got it back when he died is suggested by Philippians 2.
Jesus is omniscient, via inherent omniscience, the ability to know anything that one chooses to know.

So Matthew is wrong? Who knew...

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08-01-2017, 09:12 PM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2017 09:13 PM by Eloh.)
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RE: Can Monotheism and Polytheism both be true?
(08-01-2017 07:48 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 07:14 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 06:55 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:53 PM)Eloh Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 04:46 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  Biunity (2 in 1)
Deity vs. Divinity
Biunity 2 persons(deities) with 1 divinity

So a deity is a divine person. OK. But a divinity is presumably a god. Two persons in one god. If monotheism involves one god, then it is monotheism, not polytheism. A god having multiple persons does not have to meany that the god divided itself. It might just be the way gods work.

If we are talking about Jesus as one of the persons, he was not omniscient, at least. Matthew 24:36 says that the Father knows things that the Son does not. This sounds like a division like you said and a loss of true divinity. That Jesus gave up his divinity to become human and got it back when he died is suggested by Philippians 2.
Jesus is omniscient, via inherent omniscience, the ability to know anything that one chooses to know.

So Matthew is wrong? Who knew...
Jesus choose not to know because the father has not appointed the time yet.
"ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν" - John 10:30

"I and my Father are one." - John 10:30

"Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι τῶν οὐρανῶν εἰ μὴ ὁ πατὴρ μου μόνος" - Matthew 24:36

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not the angels of heaven, nor the Son, if not even the Father [knows]." - Matthew 24:36

"Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι οἱ ἐν οὐρανῷ οὐδὲ ὁ υἱός εἰ μὴ ὁ πατήρ" - Mark 13:32

"But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven nor the Son, if not [even] the Father [knows]." - Mark 13:32
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