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Catholic Versus Coptic
08-29-2009, 10:31 PM
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Catholic Versus Coptic
Is thier a Coptic Priest whom whould explain?

1. the Coptic Orthodox Church is the Church of Alexandria that was established by Saint Mark, the apostle and evangelist, in the middle of the 1st century (approximately 42 AD).

2.The Sacrament of Baptism has the first rank among the Seven Holy Sacraments

4.If his parents neglect the Baptism, and the child dies without Baptism, it is the right of the church to impose a punishment on the parents for a period of one year,

You even have your own Pope
5. Pope Shenouda III

Question?
You seem to follow all the basics of the Early Church. What is Your beef with The Patriarch of Rome?
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08-30-2009, 12:30 AM (This post was last modified: 08-30-2009 12:31 AM by catholicstation.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
Is thier a Coptic Priest whom whould explain?

Pope Shenouda III
In 1971, he attended the first informal meeting with the Roman Catholic theologians, held in Vienna. He is the first Alexandrian Pontiff to visit the Vatican since the great schism of AD 451. In May 1973, together with His Holiness Pope Paul VI, he signed a common declaration in which they expressed their mutual concern about church unity. A joint committee drawn from both the Coptic and Roman Catholic theologians

Being one of the five original Patriarchs has there been any movement toward reconciliation?
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08-30-2009, 01:13 PM (This post was last modified: 08-30-2009 01:14 PM by Raphael.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
I like the fact that the Coptic are linked to late Egyptian.
What can we learn from that association?

Quote:Coptic or Coptic Egyptian[7] (Ⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ Met.Remenkēmi) is the final stage of the Egyptian language, a northern Afro-Asiatic language spoken in Egypt until at least the seventeenth century. Egyptian began to be written using the Greek alphabet in the first century. The new writing system became the Coptic script, an adapted Greek alphabet with the addition of six to seven signs from the demotic script to represent Egyptian sounds the Greek language did not have. Several distinct Coptic dialects are identified, the most prominent of which are Sahidic and Bohairic.

Coptic and Demotic are grammatically closely akin to Late Egyptian, which was written in the hieroglyphic script. The main difference is in the writing. Coptic flourished as a literary language from the second to thirteenth centuries, and its Bohairic dialect continues to be the liturgical language of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. It was supplanted by Egyptian Arabic as a spoken language toward the early modern period, though revitalization efforts have been underway since the nineteenth century. The number of people who speak Coptic today reaches around 300

Only 300 folks left who even speak this language.
How many experts could there be on this forum?

And are you familar with the Coptic version of the 5th Gospel of Thomas?
Wink

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08-31-2009, 08:22 PM (This post was last modified: 08-31-2009 09:30 PM by catholicstation.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
(08-30-2009 01:13 PM)Raphael Wrote:  I like the fact that the Coptic are linked to late Egyptian.
What can we learn from that association?

Quote:Coptic or Coptic Egyptian[7] (Ⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙ̀ⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ Met.Remenkēmi) is the final stage of the Egyptian language, a northern Afro-Asiatic language spoken in Egypt until at least the seventeenth century. Egyptian began to be written using the Greek alphabet in the first century. The new writing system became the Coptic script, an adapted Greek alphabet with the addition of six to seven signs from the demotic script to represent Egyptian sounds the Greek language did not have. Several distinct Coptic dialects are identified, the most prominent of which are Sahidic and Bohairic.

Coptic and Demotic are grammatically closely akin to Late Egyptian, which was written in the hieroglyphic script. The main difference is in the writing. Coptic flourished as a literary language from the second to thirteenth centuries, and its Bohairic dialect continues to be the liturgical language of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. It was supplanted by Egyptian Arabic as a spoken language toward the early modern period, though revitalization efforts have been underway since the nineteenth century. The number of people who speak Coptic today reaches around 300

Only 300 folks left who even speak this language.
How many experts could there be on this forum?

And are you familar with the Coptic version of the 5th Gospel of Thomas?
Wink

namaste
The titles of some fifty such works have come down to us, a fact which shows the intense interest which centred, at an early date, in the Person and work of Christ. it is only, however, in connexion with twenty of these "gospels" that some information has been preserved. Their names, as given by Harnack (Chronologie, I, 589 sqq.), are as follows

* 1-4. The Canonical Gospels
* 5. The Gospel according to the Hebrews.
* 6. The Gospel of Peter.
* 7. The Gospel according to the Egyptians
* 8. The Gospel of Matthias.
* 9. The Gospel of Philip.
* 10. The Gospel of Thomas.
* 11. The Proto-Evangelium of James.
* 12. The Gospel of Nicodemus (Acta Pilati).
* 13.The Gospel of the Twelve Apostles.
* 14.The Gospel of Basilides.
* 15.The Gospel of Valentinus.
* 16.The Gospel of Marcion.
* 17.The Gospel of Eve.
* 18.The Gospel of Judas.
* 19.The writing Genna Marias.
* 20.The Gospel Teleioseos.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06655b.htm


If You want a Catholic Conspiracy 2000 years later - I would be looking at "The Gospel of Peter" - after all we do have His Chair !!!
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Raphael, Did Thomas Know Jesus before he was 12?

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The Infancy Gospel of Thomas relates the miraculous deeds of Jesus before he turned twelve.

Thus, while our present Infancy Gospel of Thomas may have been expanded over time, the original must have been written sometime in the middle of the second century.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/in...homas.html
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09-01-2009, 05:56 AM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2009 06:09 AM by Raphael.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
(08-31-2009 08:22 PM)catholicstation Wrote:  The titles of some fifty such works have come down to us, a fact which shows the intense interest which centred, at an early date, in the Person and work of Christ. it is only, however, in connexion with twenty of these "gospels" that some information has been preserved. Their names, as given by Harnack (Chronologie, I, 589 sqq.), are as follows

* 1-4. The Canonical Gospels
* 5. The Gospel according to the Hebrews.
* 6. The Gospel of Peter.

If You want a Catholic Conspiracy 2000 years later - I would be looking at "The Gospel of Peter" - after all we do have His Chair !!!

ALL OF THOSE GOSPELS were written long after the person called Christ was dead and buried.
How can you or anybody claim they are FACT when many scholars contradict each other?
Separate the FACT from FICTION.
Starting with the multitudes of modern scholars.
What about the ancient scholars, what did they say?

I found this interesting after you sent me on another FACT finding mission.

Quote:The Gospel According to the Hebrews written in Aramaic dialect but with Hebrew letters, was the most widely known of the non canonical gospels. Jerome states that most ancient Biblical scholars called it the true Gospel of Matthew or "Mattheai Authenticum". If this were true, then this gospel would be important in understanding the historical Jesus. [1]

It was the gospel in use among Hebrew Christian sects, which were later separated from the gentile Church. All copies of it have been lost or destroyed, but we know of it because of extensive excerpts quoted by the Church Fathers. [2]Although many scholars believe the Gospel according to the Hebrews was widely circulated in the Early Church and enjoyed a good reputation, it was later judged apocryphal.

Jerome states it is the true gospel.
Jerome was no slouch.
Jerome is recognized by the Catholic Church as a canonized saint and Doctor of the Church.
Jerome said that ANCIENT BIBLICAL scholars claimed that The Gospel according to the Hebrews is the TRUE Gospel of Matthew.
All copies destroyed and later it was judged apocryphal?

So the TRUE Gospel of Matthew was destroyed?

Hmm
This I see as a potential FACT.
It is however consistent behavior by those who are veiling something.
(08-31-2009 08:22 PM)catholicstation Wrote:  -------------------------------------------------------------------

Raphael, Did Thomas Know Jesus before he was 12?

====================================================
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas relates the miraculous deeds of Jesus before he turned twelve.

You mean documentation like this blah blah blah lie?

Quote:Then there is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which purports to describe the doings of Jesus in his boyhood. Jesus proves to be an infant prodigy at school, instructing his teachers in the unsuspected mysteries of the alphabet; he astounds his family and playmates by the miracles which he performs. This is the document which tells for the first time the familiar tale of the twelve sparrows which Jesus, at the age of five, fashioned from clay on the sabbath day.

Unsuspected mysteries of the alphabet?
WTF does that mean...can letters be converted in NUMBERS?
Like the ancient CODE called GEMATRIA, used by both Hebrew and Greeks, maybe?

Miracles he performs?
Like what?
12 sparrows fashioned out of clay at age 5 on the sabbath?
So what big deal...he played with clay?
Did clay become PlayDough$
Sabbath is the 6th day (sat) or the 7th (sun)?

I would look for a geometric/numerical significance and not take 12 sparrows at age 5 literally.


(08-31-2009 08:22 PM)catholicstation Wrote:  Thus, while our present Infancy Gospel of Thomas may have been expanded over time, the original must have been written sometime in the middle of the second century.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/in...homas.html

Why does it matter when it was written catholicstation?
NOT ONE CANON was written DURING the life of the wunderkind called jeSuS.
NOT ONE gospel is written by an EYE-WITNESS.

All information was arrived at via the telephone game.

You realize in a court of law today...the claim that Jesus lived would be thrown OUT of court due to a lack of any REAL evidence?

The REAL value is archetypal.
The telephone game is alive and well still today BTW.

123
456
789


Want me to explain how the universe works using those 9 numbers?


And would that make me a Jesus?
If I could show EWE the magic and wonder of the alphabet by converting LETTERS to NUMBERS revealing a CODE helping to unlock the mysteries?

Molding 12 sparrows by age 5 is a miracle eh?
Sadly if you believe this to be true.
EWE are gullible and ignorant of ALL the HER-story that preceded HIS-story.
That is quite clear.

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09-01-2009, 06:27 AM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2009 06:28 AM by catholicstation.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
(09-01-2009 05:56 AM)Raphael Wrote:  
(08-31-2009 08:22 PM)catholicstation Wrote:  The titles of some fifty such works have come down to us, a fact which shows the intense interest which centred, at an early date, in the Person and work of Christ. it is only, however, in connexion with twenty of these "gospels" that some information has been preserved. Their names, as given by Harnack (Chronologie, I, 589 sqq.), are as follows

* 1-4. The Canonical Gospels
* 5. The Gospel according to the Hebrews.
* 6. The Gospel of Peter.

If You want a Catholic Conspiracy 2000 years later - I would be looking at "The Gospel of Peter" - after all we do have His Chair !!!

ALL OF THOSE GOSPELS were written long after the person called Christ was dead and buried.
How can you or anybody claim they are FACT when many scholars contradict each other?
Separate the FACT from FICTION.
Starting with the multitudes of modern scholars.
What about the ancient scholars, what did they say?

I found this interesting after you sent me on another FACT finding mission.

Quote:The Gospel According to the Hebrews written in Aramaic dialect but with Hebrew letters, was the most widely known of the non canonical gospels. Jerome states that most ancient Biblical scholars called it the true Gospel of Matthew or "Mattheai Authenticum". If this were true, then this gospel would be important in understanding the historical Jesus. [1]

It was the gospel in use among Hebrew Christian sects, which were later separated from the gentile Church. All copies of it have been lost or destroyed, but we know of it because of extensive excerpts quoted by the Church Fathers. [2]Although many scholars believe the Gospel according to the Hebrews was widely circulated in the Early Church and enjoyed a good reputation, it was later judged apocryphal.

Jerome states it is the true gospel.
Jerome was no slouch.
Jerome is recognized by the Catholic Church as a canonized saint and Doctor of the Church.
Jerome said that ANCIENT BIBLICAL scholars claimed that The Gospel according to the Hebrews is the TRUE Gospel of Matthew.
All copies destroyed and later it was judged apocryphal?

So the TRUE Gospel of Matthew was destroyed?

Hmm
This I see as a potential FACT.
It is however consistent behavior by those who are veiling something.
(08-31-2009 08:22 PM)catholicstation Wrote:  -------------------------------------------------------------------

Raphael, Did Thomas Know Jesus before he was 12?

====================================================
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas relates the miraculous deeds of Jesus before he turned twelve.

You mean documentation like this blah blah blah lie?


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Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -

The first Bishop of Antioch was St. Peter.

You can read about Antioch in any Bible
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09-01-2009, 08:52 AM (This post was last modified: 09-01-2009 09:18 AM by Raphael.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
(09-01-2009 06:27 AM)catholicstation Wrote:  Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -

The first Bishop of Antioch was St. Peter.

You can read about Antioch in any Bible

YOU want me to believe a scum bag temple priest?
When any student of history knows that the scum bag temple priests controlled the secrets of the day?
At a point in history when folks were illiterate and those who were educated represented the POWER and the GLORY?

EWE are so confused bible babbler.
The HIS-story that sheeple like to quote is NOT history nor does it address the tens of thousands of years of HER-story that predated the scripted HIS-story of the bible.

It is EWE that fails at REAL history and the silenced HER-story.

However all of EWE funnyandmentalist Judeao/Christians get a 'A' or is it an 'Eh' in HIS-story.

[Image: SwastikaSamarraIraq5000BC-1.jpg]

The herd of EWE are IGNORANT.
Plain and simple.
Explain this plate from 5000 BC.
5000 years BEFORE the superstar was born.
4000+ years BEFORE the Torah was written.
2000+ years BEFORE the Great Pyramid was built.

Why would they put the SWASTIKA in the center surrounded by 4 birds with fishy heads?
Did they put GODS in the center?

[Image: hgchp7pl4.JPG]

Here we have another example of a 'god' surrounded by 4 Evangelists or Beasts with WINGS?
Sounds fishy to me.
Oh but EWE exclaim Jesus is different than the swastika.
Jesus is in the center of two circles?
Two circles called the mandorla or vescia piscis.

[Image: mandorlapath.jpg][Image: mandorla_ixoye.jpg]
http://www.kyrie.com/symbols/mandorla.htm

[Image: SheelaKilpeck2004.jpg]

But the mandorla reminds me of a woman's genitalia.

Your HIS-story IGNORES all the HER-story that came before it.
THUS it is the HERD OF EWE that prove yourselves IGNORANT all the time.
ALL the time.
Especially when your best defense is your Bible HIS-story book, that all of EWE are told to bring to bible class.
geeshhhhhhhh

Just another reason why folks who possess just a little logic have contempt for the IGNORANT bible thumpers.
YOU are at a big disadvantage if you continue to ignore the obvious references to the role of sacred GEOMETRY and NUMBERS and the archetypal poetry of the creator NOT NOT NOT to be taken literally.
Positing your silly nilly beliefs over ALL others, and and and and REAL history shows the herd of ignorant ewe are even willing to kill to prove your point...

Please shut up when discussing REAL history or HERstory
EWE are in the dark about both.

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09-03-2009, 02:59 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2009 03:51 AM by catholicstation.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
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Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -

The first Bishop of Antioch was St. Peter.
You can read about Antioch in any Bible

FATHERS KNOW BEST


the fathers of the early church speak for themselves.


Sacraments
The Real Presence
Baptismal Grace
Bishop, Priest, and Deacon
Born Again in Baptism
Confession
Confirmation
The Permanence of Matrimony
Early Teachings of Infant Baptism
The Sacrifice of the Mass
Trinitarian_Baptism
Women and the Priesthood


Salvation

Mortal Sin
The Necessity of Baptism
Reward and Merit
Salvation Outside the Church


Last Things

The Antichrist
The Hell There Is!
Resurrection of the Body
The Roots of Purgatory
http://www.catholic.com/library/fathers_know_best.asp


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Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -


The Jews Before Rome


Between 332-167 BCE, after the conquest of Alexander, Israel was ruled first by Egypt and then by Asia Minor.

In 167 BCE, Antiochus IV "Epiphanes" (means "a god manifest"), a Seleucid (Greek) king, responded to civil war in Jerusalem by attacking the city.

He outlawed practice of Jewish religion on pain of death, killing those who circumcised their sons, followed the food laws of kashrut, and kept the Sabbath.

He set up the "abomination of desolation" (as it is called in the prophecy of Daniel): a desecration of temple in Jerusalem by sacrificing a pig to the Greek god Zeus.
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09-03-2009, 05:08 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2009 05:35 AM by Raphael.)
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
(09-03-2009 02:59 AM)catholicstation Wrote:  catholicstation Wrote:

Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -


He set up the "abomination of desolation" (as it is called in the prophecy of Daniel): a desecration of temple in Jerusalem by sacrificing a pig to the Greek god Zeus.

oh my what have we here?
another ignorant bible thumper incapable of discussing any REAL history of the earth and ancient cultures?
Only offering as proof WESTERN scripted self-serving drivel called HIS-story beginning around 2000 years ago with the birth of the big FIB called Jesus...

Ignorance is bliss eh catholic?
Add a little faith, hope and charity to help negate the ignorance and balance the equation?

[Image: SwastikaSamarraIraq5000BC-1.jpg]
the above plate is from 5000 BC.

your bible babel suggests the world started around 4000 BC.

please explain.
funny how you want to use only WESTERN historians from around the time of Christ.

Here is a history/science quiz, tell me catholic station...which came first?

A/ the Platonic Year
B/ the Great Year
C/ Precession of the Equinoxes
D/ Dendera Zodiac
E/ Jesus

Clearly your understanding of history begins primarily with a scripted HIS-story which became the scriptures.
(the bible is proof of this script) , proof of the Big FIB called Jesus.

What if Jesus was nothing more than an advertising camPAIN to increase market share for a brand new Christian church.
Archetypal heroes like Zeus or Apollo or Hermes have been an integral part of the human condition since story telling began?

Clearly this could be a motivation?
Catholics have NEVER been good at real history, though they excel at BS called HIS-story.

Truth in advertising has always been a contentious issue...when profits and prophets are at stake.

If the catholics being lead OUT of eden NOT back to eden, want to understand HOW they have been duped...EWE must study the REAL history that occurred thousands of years before the big FIB called Jesus was scripted as a ruse, a public relations one-size-fits-all concept put into effect, to help maintain control of the herd.

The herd of EWE are clearly ignorant of anything other than a HIS-story that was scripted by the victorious.

Discuss Precession of the Equinoxes, a REAL fact of life.
Why are SO many of the Temples aligned to this FACT of LIFE.
Precession of the Equinoxes is an approx. 26,000 year year cycle....

BUT the herd of EWE can't see how the 26,000 year cycle of the SUN might become part of the NARRATION?

Geeshhhhhhhh
What a waste of time discussing real history with EWE.

These posts I log are for others who might actually 'see' the truth through ALL the contrived self serving BS.
I don't expect many to see it.
95% of EWE will continue to bleat and rebleat your nonsense.

WHAT IF the twist at the end of this sordid tale, that EWE fail to see is that the herd of sheeple, folks like EWE have been duped?
Go to hell then.
The Pope is your guide and guru.
Amen
Wink

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09-03-2009, 05:32 AM
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RE: Catholic Versus Coptic
Catholic Septuagint Vs Protestant
Greek New Testament are exactly aligned with the Greek Septuagint, but in sharp opposition to the Hebrew Masoretic Text(Protestant Bible)

Jews of Ethiopia and their Names
for many centuries the liturgical language of the Ethiopian Church; the Bible was translated into Ge’ez before the 7th century CE. It is generally assumed that Ge’ez was the original language of the Beta Israel (The House of Israel) as the Jews of Ethiopia are generally known. The Bible, translated from the Septuagint Greek version



Septuagint - What is It?
Septuagint (sometimes abbreviated LXX) is the name given to the Greek translation of the Jewish Scriptures. The Septuagint has its origin in Alexandria, Egypt(i.e. read COPTIC CHURCH)


Raphael History is not your strong point !!! -
and was translated between 300-200 BC. Widely used among Hellenistic Jews, this Greek translation was produced because many Jews spread throughout the empire were beginning to lose their Hebrew language.
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