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Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
03-21-2010, 02:52 AM
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Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of lawsuits, criminal prosecutions and scandals related to sexual abuse committed by Catholic priests and members of religious orders, both under diocesan control and in orders which care for the sick or teach children,[1] that first rose to widespread public attention in the last two decades of the 20th century.[2] Although awareness of the widespread scope of these abuses first received significant media attention in Canada, Ireland and the United States, other cases were also reported in a number of other countries.

Beyond the actual abuses, much of the scandal focused around the actions of some members of the Catholic hierarchy who did not report the crimes to legal authorities and reassigned the offenders to other locations where they continued to have contact with minors, giving them the opportunity to continue their sexual abuse.[3][4][5][6] Some bishops and psychiatrists contended that the prevailing psychology of the times suggested that people could be cured of such behavior through counseling.[5][7] In response to the widening scandal, Pope John Paul II declared that "there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young".[8] With the approval of the Vatican, the hierarchy of the church in the United States instituted reforms to prevent future abuse including requiring background checks for Church employees and volunteers and, noting the preponderance of adolescent males (teenage boys) amongst victims of abuse, warned that a more searching inquiry is necessary for a homosexually oriented man;[9][10] and the worldwide Church also prohibited the ordination of men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies".[7][11][12]

Some members of the church hierarchy and outside commentators have argued, quoting studies relating to the USA, that media coverage of the issue has been excessive given that abuse occurs much more frequently in other institutions.[13][14] Other commentators have said that the scandal highlights deep-seated problems with mandatory celibacy in the priesthood of the Catholic Church and how that institution deals with allegations of child abuse by its clergy.[15]
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03-21-2010, 03:55 AM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2010 04:11 AM by sesame.)
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RE: Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
IF IT ONE CASE, TWO OR EVEN 10 OR TWENTY BUT THE MATTER REACHES THOUSANDS!!!!...THEN THE MATTER NEED RETHINKING HERE, IF THE RELIGION PERFORMED ITS ROLE OR THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG???
THEN WHAT IS THE WRONG???
I THINK THAT THE WRONG IS CHRISTIANITY HAVE BEEN VACUUMED FROM ITS ORIGINAL CONTENT WHICH JESUS CAME WITH!!!...
Female Victims of Clergy Abuse
Recent stories of interest


Dozens Allege Sex Abuse by Nuns

SNAP calls on victims to tell stories, appeals to female clergy conference

By Frank Langfitt, Baltimore Sun
July 14, 2004

SILVER SPRING - Spotlighting the role of female clergy in sexual abuse for the first time, a victims advocacy group said yesterday that it had identified about 100 people in the United States who said they had been assaulted by Catholic nuns, sisters and other female religious workers.

At a news conference, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) called for other victims to come forward so they could share their stories and receive help. The group also asked the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, a national female clerical organization based here, to allow victims to speak at their annual meeting next month in Fort Worth, Texas.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/female_victim...e_nuns.htm
Sexual Abuse in Christian Homes and Churches (Paperback)
~ Carolyn Holderread Heggen (Author)
http://www.jimgoad.net/nunfucked.html
http://www.jimgoad.net/nunfucked.html
ALSO AFRICA:-
Sexual abuse of nuns by priests:
A tragedy wider than Africa
http://www.cta-usa.org/watch04-01/abuseofnuns.html
EVEN IN INDIA:-
Former nun tells of sex and suffering inside Indian convent
THE MATTER NEED DEEP THINKING!
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03-21-2010, 06:53 AM
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RE: Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
(03-21-2010 03:55 AM)sesame Wrote:  ...IF THE RELIGION PERFORMED ITS ROLE OR THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG???...THE MATTER NEED DEEP THINKING!

You are either against the sexual exploitation of children, or you are for it. If you are for Mohammad's behavior, then you cannot criticize anyone else's sexual misconduct--but if you are against the sexual exploitation of children, then you must condemn your own "prophet's" perverted behavior.

And if you want to criticize the Pope, then you also have to criticize the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was the Pope's closest Islamic equivalent. Khomeini said that fathers should marry off their daughters before the start of menses--and that means that Khomeini advocates child sexual exploitation for millions and millions of girls in Islamic society.

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03-21-2010, 08:03 AM
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To give a fixed age of marriage that applies to every girl is an unrealistic generalization. If marriage were only a matter of biology, then the age of puberty would have fit for the purpose.

Some international organizations, such as the UNICEF and UNIFEM tried hard to get a treaty that would require governments all over the world to fix the age of marriage between 18 and 20 for girls. This draft law was criticized by a lot of activists. They considered it a violation of the individual's human rights and even an intervention in the characteristics of some cultures. Such organizations forgot that late marriage, which is a norm in some societies, where pre-marital sex is common, may not be “recommended” in other conservative societies. With such a conservative nature, early marriage becomes a norm that is not easy to challenge!



The age of marriage is, then, an individual case.

and at the end i talk about rape in churches from clergy men and u know its effect on the child even on the nuns, not about marraige which give tranquillity to the other side!!!!!

I THINK U TRIED TO COVER SUCH MATTER WHICH SHOW THAT CHRISTINTY ITSELF CAN'T PREVENT ITS MEN WHO TEACH MORALS TO PPL FROM FALLING IN SUCH DEEDS! THEN THE MATTER NEED MORE THINKNG AGAIN!
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03-21-2010, 08:40 AM
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RE: Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
(03-21-2010 08:03 AM)sesame Wrote:  ...The age of marriage is, then, an individual case...

So you accept the fact that the fifty-four-year-old Mohammad used a nine-year-old girl in the satisfaction of his sexual urges?

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03-21-2010, 08:52 AM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2010 09:06 AM by sesame.)
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THAT HAPPENED IN WEST WITHOUT IN RIGHTS FOR THE GIRL!
BESIDE WHAT U DON'T KNOW GIRLS AND BOYS IN SUCH COUNTRIES BECAME ADULT BEFORE THEIR SIMILAR IN COLD COUNTRIES, ALSO THE ENVIRONMENT HAS ITS EFFECT IN EVERY THING, THAT IF U HAVE READ THE ARTICLE TO THE END, OR EVEN HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT MATTER!
“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.
BESIDE THE ENEMIES (INFIDELS) OF THE PROPHET IN MECCA DIDN'T SAY LIKE U, MOHAMED MARRY YOUNG GIRL, COZ THEY KNOW THEIR GIRLS BECOME ADULT AT HER AGE AND READY FOR MARRAIGE BESIDE SHE WAS ENGAGED BEFORE HIM FOR "JAUBIAR"!
SO U NOW IN THIS CENTURY THOUGHT THAT U BRING WHAT OTHERS DON'T BRING!! HAHASmile
U KNOW BETTER THAN HIS ENEMIES, EVEN JEWS OR CHRISTIAN ON HIS ERA DIDN'T CRITICIZE THIS POINT, COZ IT WAS NORMAL!
PLZ, LOOK AT UR CLERGY WHO ABUSE KIDS, NOT ONE OR TWO IT REACHED 10,000 AND WHAT HAVE NOT BEEN KNOWN IS MUCH!
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03-21-2010, 09:36 AM (This post was last modified: 03-21-2010 09:37 AM by kevlar.)
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RE: Catholic sex abuse cases!!!
sesame wrote
I THINK U TRIED TO COVER SUCH MATTER WHICH SHOW THAT CHRISTINTY ITSELF CAN'T PREVENT ITS MEN WHO TEACH MORALS TO PPL FROM FALLING IN SUCH DEEDS! THEN THE MATTER NEED MORE THINKNG AGAIN!

I think that if your religion can't prevent the men who teach morals from encouraging young men and women to kill innocent people, then the ground on which you stand, has no moral superiority. Based on your argument. Perhaps a rethink of the values from both sides is in order.

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03-21-2010, 04:02 PM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2010 08:52 AM by Stereophonic.)
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I condemn the exploitation of children for the sexual gratification of middle-aged men. By contrast, you seem to condone it by your refusal to condemn the fifty-four-year old Mohammad's sexual exploitation of a nine-year-old child.

Which is more moral--to condemn sexual predatory behavior against children, or to make excuses for it?

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03-23-2010, 08:00 PM (This post was last modified: 03-23-2010 08:53 PM by lastmikvehlastDay.)
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Quote:Some members of the church hierarchy and outside commentators have argued, quoting studies relating to the USA, that media coverage of the issue has been excessive given that abuse occurs much more frequently in other institutions.

I plain do not understand the behaviour , to be frank,. Calling all Catholics Look, defending the indefensible is not the best way to go about this. The people who should be the most outraged are the Roman Catholics themselves. I'd like to bounce something off of you. Are the lay people not allowed to be outraged by this or not (due to the 'magisterium' of the Church)? Whatever you've heard to date they are not fully helping in the prosecution of these cases. So, What were the lay people allowed to demand from their elders ?!? Without being arrogant or like braggarts or becoming uncontrollably wrathful in such a way you get thrown in the looney bin. Lay persons arent to display such arrogant behavior? How should have Catholics responded? I acknowledge if people are starting to get 'angry', then you naturally start to get angry. But WHERE SHOULD THIS ANGER BE PLACED ??? The forum or how about this board ? In the bible is a verse about 'doing what is right in the sight of God and man'. What is the story? ....................... Any accountability?

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03-23-2010, 10:37 PM
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Not only is it odd that Christianity promotes celibacy, it's darn right a perversion of nature! (Have you ever stood next to a virgin over 25? It's really weird and I don't trust them!) Evolution has endowed mammals with an urge to reproduce so immense, that to go against that urge can be pretty dangerous as the Pope will gladly tell you. There is a reason that men think about sex every seven seconds (don't quote me on the exact number), and there is a reason sex is so pleasurable. Reproduction, as far as evolution is concerned, is the single most important method for propagating genes. If you take that away from a man especially, he's going to do whatever he can to satisfy himself (not all men of course). Just a side note, some men that do have a lot of sex still can not get satisfied, so they turn to porn, and in some unfortunate cases, rape. All this is, is a misfiring of the evolutionary sexual urge to reproduce. As for the church, well weren't these men appointed by God? Isn't that by definition what it specifically means to be a priest? He sure has poor judgement for an all-knowing deity. Of course, we all know these men were not appointed by God at all, they were appointed by man, and man is fallible, and in these cases, utterly disgusting and deserving of slow and painful death.

Stereo, I have not once heard you condemn these monsters for the rape of children. Nor have I heard you condemn the Pope for downplaying the incidents and encouraging it further. And neither have I heard you comment on the repugnant statements by Father Gabriele Amorth, where he claims that the guilty perverted men of cloth were possessed by the devil. Accountability? There is no such thing in religion. When you exist above the law, why be accountable for anything?

We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake
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