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Christianity and Islam: Similarities and Differences
06-09-2009, 07:31 AM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2009 09:19 AM by Stereophonic.)
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Christianity and Islam: Similarities and Differences
There are over one billion Muslims in the world, and over two billion Christians. To the extent that the adherents of these two faiths hold to their respective orthodox teachings, roughly half of the people on this planet believe that:

1. Mary conceived Jesus without any male partner
2. Jesus lived a sinless life
3. Jesus performed genuine, supernatural miracles
4. The religous leadership in Jesus' day sought to have him executed on a Roman cross
5. God is able to raise the dead to new life, and God will do so according to God's own timing and purpose

So these are the similarities between Christianity and Islam. Now for one of the primary differences: according to the Christian faith, the religious leaders of the time actually succeeded in having Jesus executed on a Roman cross. Muslims, on the other hand, say that the religious leaders failed--Jesus was not executed--but rather the religious leaders only thought they had executed him.

Muslims read Mohammad's theological commentary and interpret it to mean that Jesus was not crucified; however, all of the historical evidence shows that Jesus was indeed crucified. In fact, the crucifixion of Jesus is one of the best attested events in all of ancient history.

Muslims do not reject the crucifixion of Jesus because of any historical evidence, but rather because their theology cannot comprehend how God could allow someone whom they consider a "prophet" to be so badly misused. Muslims do not dispute the fact that God is able to resurrect the dead back to life, they merely believe--against all the historical evidence--that God would not have allowed the righteous Jesus to be executed by his enemies.

The early Christians, however, knew that Jesus had been crucified. They also knew that God raised Jesus to life three days after. These events were not at all what Jesus' followers had been expecting, and so they searched the Scriptures for some sort of background rationale which would help them understand why the historical events transpired as they did.

The result of their searching led them to realize that Jesus really was the unique Son of God, God in human flesh, who lived, suffered, died, and rose again in order to demonstrate the astonishing lengths to which God will go in order to enjoy a relationship of love with the creatures whom God has made in God's own image.

Quote:So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now! This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun! And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation. So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:16-21, emphasis added).


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06-09-2009, 01:59 PM
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(06-09-2009 07:31 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  Muslims read Mohammad's theological commentary and interpret it to mean that Jesus was not crucified; [/b].

This is exactly what I meant in that video "word of GOD vs. words of men." Hadith and Sunnah are NOT from Muhammad. They were written over 200 years after he died. They are HEARSAY falsely attributed to Muhammad, and are condemned by name in the Quran.

[Quran 45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?
[45:7] Woe to every fabricator, guilty.

[Quran 18:27] You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.

(06-09-2009 07:31 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  Muslims do not reject the crucifixion of Jesus because of any historical evidence, but rather because their theology cannot comprehend how God could allow someone whom they consider a "prophet" to be so badly misused. Muslims do not dispute the fact that God is able to resurrect the dead back to life, they merely believe--against all the historical evidence--that God would not have allowed the righteous Jesus to be executed by his enemies.

The muslims do not read their scripture. The Quran states very clearly that JEsus was taken from his body by GOD and never felt any pain.

[Quran 4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.*

[4:158] Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

So, the Quran shows clearly Jesus was killed, but GOD raised him before the persecution, thus they never really killed him, but were made to think they did.

Yet another example how muslims do not read their scripture but look for man-made sources (hadith & Sunnah) to understand Quran.
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06-09-2009, 02:27 PM
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(06-09-2009 01:59 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...the Quran shows clearly Jesus was killed, but GOD raised him before the persecution, thus they never really killed him, but were made to think they did...

Just curious...anyone?...does the above statement make any sense at all? Sad

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06-09-2009, 03:24 PM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2009 03:26 PM by submitmj.)
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(06-09-2009 02:27 PM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(06-09-2009 01:59 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...the Quran shows clearly Jesus was killed, but GOD raised him before the persecution, thus they never really killed him, but were made to think they did...

Just curious...anyone?...does the above statement make any sense at all? Sad

Read the verse. It is from Quran.

[Quran 4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.*

[4:158] Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

Does setting up a human as GOD make any sense?
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06-09-2009, 03:28 PM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2009 03:42 PM by Stereophonic.)
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(06-09-2009 03:24 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...Does setting up a human as GOD make any sense?

Well, if God decided to come to earth as a human, who are we to argue with God?
(06-09-2009 03:24 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...Read the verse. It is from Quran..."In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him"...

The Qur'an is not a historical source for Christianity; Mohammad was mistaken with regard to many aspects of Christianity (and Judaism as well).

Anyway, all the historical evidence we have suggests that Jesus was indeed crucified, so it appears that your Qur'an is corrupt/mistaken in this matter.

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06-09-2009, 05:58 PM
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(06-09-2009 03:28 PM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(06-09-2009 03:24 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...Does setting up a human as GOD make any sense?

Well, if God decided to come to earth as a human, who are we to argue with God?
(06-09-2009 03:24 PM)submitmj Wrote:  ...Read the verse. It is from Quran..."In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him"...

The Qur'an is not a historical source for Christianity; Mohammad was mistaken with regard to many aspects of Christianity (and Judaism as well).

Anyway, all the historical evidence we have suggests that Jesus was indeed crucified, so it appears that your Qur'an is corrupt/mistaken in this matter.

The Quran says to worship GOD alone. The Quran has proof it is from GOD.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9htnv_...s?from=rss
There is nothing corrupt about worshiping GOD alone, instead of idols besides him (such as Jesus). This is what your scripture says too. What you utter is a gross injustice against GOD.
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06-09-2009, 06:46 PM
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How is the crucifixion the best attested event of ancient history? We have far more accurate and varied records of, say, the battle of Troy. And that's including all the gods and stuff.

Events like the reign of various Emperors, vast ancient wars, things that actually mattered to the entire world (after all, at the time of the crucifixion no one really cared about it besides a couple Jews and the Romans who governed them, in a backwater corner of the world that was considered just slightly more civilized than the barbarians of Germania.)
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06-09-2009, 08:59 PM
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(06-09-2009 06:46 PM)GTseng3 Wrote:  How is the crucifixion the best attested event of ancient history?...

Crossan, John Dominic (1995). Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography. HarperOne. p. 145. ISBN 0060616628. "That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be, since both Josephus and Tacitus...agree with the Christian accounts on at least that basic fact."

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06-09-2009, 11:33 PM
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. . .

. . .

And one quote from a book that requires Jesus to be historical for its very existence, based on two texts which, while accepted by most scholars (and myself) as authentic, are far from universally accepted, make it the "most attested fact" of the ancient world?

Atlantis has more supporting material than this.

Seriously, Stereophonic, we're not idiots. I know in your typical baptist town people will believe anything the nice seminary graduate says, but you're going to have to start giving our intelligence more credit. Because I, and others, will keep calling you on your transparent attempts to trick us.
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07-17-2009, 07:44 PM
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(06-09-2009 07:31 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  There are over one billion Muslims in the world, and over two billion Christians.

It is all about market share.
most of the jews sent to the NAZI death camps were Ashkenazi...because they breed like Fibonacci rabbits and would never 'convert' to Christianity.....the big families were a logarithmic nightmare.

Today the muslim poses the same threat.
Another reason the RC church does not endorse birth control...
Market share.

But I do want to know....of that 3 billion figure...how many read their bibles and heed its advice?

How many simply wear a crucifix and bleat nonsense?

And sadly, those that do read their bibles, often do not know REAL history.
Only the self-serving script they have been brought up to believe is considered real HIS-story.

nature or nurture?
which is more important.

Like I suggest to my friends.
The first cult we should be rescued from is our own families.

namaste

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