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End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
10-10-2009, 10:22 AM
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End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?

List of attempts to get thing right even as scripture says that all of God‘s works are perfect.

Heaven and angels.-------------God creates perfect angels and finds iniquity in Satan.
It is said that God is the creator of all things. This would include iniquity.
How could iniquity appear in Satan if God did not place this in him?

Earth and man.-------------------God creates a perfect man and woman.
These perfect entities rebel against God’s command.
Rebellion was also created by God.
All that God creates has purpose. Why punish man for wanting the moral
sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Can man be
complete without a moral sense when both God and the Church work hard
to help us develop one?

Earth and man again after Noah. To restart His initial failed system where evil and sin had been born, God
destroys the world with a genocidal flood and restarts with supposedly
pure good stock in Noah and his kin. Evil and sin reemerge again
somehow.

End time judgment.----------------God seems to have failed to date to keep evil and sin out of man. We are
even told that it is in our God given nature and that evil and sin is created
by God. Some scripture even indicate that God wants man to sin so that
he can repent which seems to be a requirement to get into heaven. I
find this to be a logical position for God to take if all that He creates, in
terms of sin and evil, are to serve His purposes. This would mean that we
have learned our moral lesson and can recognize the good and evil within
us. This also allows God to save all of us as any loving God with access
to miracles would do.

We then see three attempts that have not turned out the way, it seems, that God wants.

My question, then to believers in a literal Bible especially and whoever else would like to comment are--

What makes you think that God will get it right the next time when He has failed at least 3 times in the past?

If God’s works are perfect then are we living in a perfect state and God does not have to return to fix what, as perfect, cannot be broken and follows it’s perfect nature?

For literal readers of scripture I offer as back up for God perfection and perfect works a quote and also a quote showing that it is God‘s will that none be lost while at the same time the above shows clearly that His will is not being done.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

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10-10-2009, 11:10 PM (This post was last modified: 10-11-2009 02:24 AM by Azrael17.)
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
Well in Psychology there are two core parts of your mind.
There is the Id,
and
There is the Sub-Conscious.
The Id is the beast inside each of us that drives our Instinct.
The Sub-Conscious is that other little voice in your head that tells you what is Good and Evil.
There are people who Know what is Good, but also people who don't Know what is Good.
At the same time there are people who are bad, but don't realize they are doing bad.
This is why the World needs Order, because after Chaos comes Creation.
Chaos is when we discover something we didn't want to Know, and thus are Distraught by what we have Learned.
When we Learn, We have to put away our own Beliefs, and look for the Truth with out Deceit.
But the Truth will be as painful as if thousand knives stabbing you in the chest.
So in order to keep ones self from causing ones self harm it is Wise to have Wisdom before obtaining any Knowledge of the Truth.
If one does not have Wisdom when seeking the Truth then One will turn into Lucifer and burn in the fires of hell.
If however one does have Wisdom then One may very well come close to an Enlightened state.
The Problem here though is that we must learn let go of our Attachments.
If we do not let go of our Attachments then we will Suffer.
Our Suffering leads us to Temptation.
When we become Tempted we have a strong Desire to Sin, or in other words do what we Think is Wrong.
When we Sin, We have a high chance of feeling Guilt.
A Guilty person is some one who can be considered very dangerous.
When dealing with some one who is Guilty it is best to be Kind to them rather than Drive them away.
If we Drive a Guilty person into Exile then they will Either Learn from their Mistakes or come to Hate Us and our Establishment.
If some one hates your Establishment it Distills Chaos.
You Reap what you Sow!
If a Person is that Angry then it becomes a Grudge which turns into Hate!
Hate can be Powerful but Love is just as Powerful.
Hate makes you feel Closed and Afraid.
Love makes you feel Open and Courageous.
So in essence you Either die an Optimist or an Pessimist.
The way a Person lives after they reach a certain age is up to them.
Once a Person is Mentally capable of caring for themselves with out Supervision that Person has become a Young Adult.
Some people will never reach Young Adulthood.
Some people will remain like Children and be unable to Learn what you have learned.
Others will step out side of their box and break their Hourglass just to see what happens when they do.
The Driving point in Humanity is our Curiosity.
Because of Our Curiosity we have risen from Mere Apes into Wise Men.
But that doesn't mean we can give into Pride and Think we've learned every thing there is to Know.
So our Wisdom will faultier if we don't give ourselves Rules to Follow.
In the Book of Revelations they are depicting Chaos,
In the Book of Genesis they are depicting Order both are Respectively a Part of God, but each has it's own Time.
Time is then the Factor by which we Judge our lives.
Time is a never ending Paradox of Good Vs Evil.
God and Lucifer the Demon of Light have been at each others Throats since the Dawn of time.
It is Jezaels Job to Teach people so that they can Learn from Their Mistakes. But the Teacher should be careful not to Force the Students into his/her own bad habits.
It is Azraels Job to Control Nature, so that when God declares it is time, then It is time for the Winds to Move.
It is Gabriaels Job to Control Informations, so that UnWise People do not Mistreat it.
So each of El's Angels has a Job that is Given to it.
If at some time however an Angel thinks it wants to Spread it's wings with out God then it's Wings are Clipped and it falls down to Earth.
When An Angel Falls it becomes Weakened because it no Longer has the Power it once had.
So out of Fear of Losing their Power an Angel will become Angry which of Course leads to Hate.
If however and Angel Realizes that it's going to happen the way it will happen no matter what then the Angel might Question God.
Sometimes if The Angel is Correct then God will not use Punishment against the Sinners.
However if The Angel is Wrong then it is then the Angels Job to help God bring Judgement by a Natural Cause.
For example if a man kills another man God will make that man Suffer.
But if that same man comes to God and Repents then he will no Longer Suffer.
So God does this same thing with Souls but at a Price.
If you don't Believe (in an Afterlife) then Your Flame will go out.
But if you do Believe then your Candle will Stay Lit.
So Faith is then our Belief.
But Logic is the Spawn of mans Curiosity.
So to is Creative Reasoning which Most people should have.

"Hidden underneath the stoned cold surface of every Pious Person lays buried a Kinky Pervert, Stop bringing shovels, Where not digging!"-Azrael
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10-14-2009, 03:21 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-10-2009 11:10 PM)Azrael17 Wrote:  .

Ya woulda thought that that tough old God would have smacked that old Satan down by now.

Piss poor showing for a God I tell ya.

Good think the Bible is fiction and not to be read literally.

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10-14-2009, 10:13 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-14-2009 03:21 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(10-10-2009 11:10 PM)Azrael17 Wrote:  .

Ya woulda thought that that tough old God would have smacked that old Satan down by now.

Piss poor showing for a God I tell ya.

Good think the Bible is fiction and not to be read literally.

Regards
DL

Interestingly, the idea of Satan as evil does not appear in the OT. Where Satan is actually personified (some instances of the word simply mean 'obstacle', the literal sense) he is an agent of God seeking to test loyalty to God with God's permission. (See especially Job.) The idea of an evil Satan opposed to God appears in the NT as part of the belief system of apocalypticism. Evil is allowed to rule the world until the people show themselves worthy of divine intervention by continued adherence to righteous living. Having evil consequences be the result of the actions of evil people does appear in the OT especially in the prophets. But having those evil people be agents of a supernatural evil force is unique to the NT.
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10-23-2009, 11:55 AM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-14-2009 10:13 PM)Parousia Wrote:  
(10-14-2009 03:21 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(10-10-2009 11:10 PM)Azrael17 Wrote:  .

Ya woulda thought that that tough old God would have smacked that old Satan down by now.

Piss poor showing for a God I tell ya.

Good think the Bible is fiction and not to be read literally.

Regards
DL

Interestingly, the idea of Satan as evil does not appear in the OT. Where Satan is actually personified (some instances of the word simply mean 'obstacle', the literal sense) he is an agent of God seeking to test loyalty to God with God's permission. (See especially Job.) The idea of an evil Satan opposed to God appears in the NT as part of the belief system of apocalypticism. Evil is allowed to rule the world until the people show themselves worthy of divine intervention by continued adherence to righteous living. Having evil consequences be the result of the actions of evil people does appear in the OT especially in the prophets. But having those evil people be agents of a supernatural evil force is unique to the NT.

That may be why Christians understand their Bible so poorly.
They like to believe in impossible miracles and angels and demons of all kinds.

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10-23-2009, 12:02 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-23-2009 11:55 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  That may be why Christians understand their Bible so poorly.
They like to believe in impossible miracles and angels and demons of all kinds.

Lots of religions have miracles and angels and demons. But IMO the reason many Christians understand the Bible so poorly is that the interpretations they are handed often have little to do with what it really says.
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10-23-2009, 12:11 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-23-2009 12:02 PM)Parousia Wrote:  
(10-23-2009 11:55 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  That may be why Christians understand their Bible so poorly.
They like to believe in impossible miracles and angels and demons of all kinds.

Lots of religions have miracles and angels and demons. But IMO the reason many Christians understand the Bible so poorly is that the interpretations they are handed often have little to do with what it really says.

That is bound to happen when the Bible is a consolidation of so many of the old belief systems.
It is the best guess of that day and was not meant to be the only edition. An upgrade is sorely required.

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10-23-2009, 12:25 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-23-2009 12:11 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  That is bound to happen when the Bible is a consolidation of so many of the old belief systems.
It is the best guess of that day and was not meant to be the only edition. An upgrade is sorely required.

The problem is that a collection of works written over a period of a thousand years or so by various different people, for different purposes and with different audiences in mind is (1) taken as a monolithic work presenting a single viewpoint, (2) assumed to be literally inerrant in all respects, and (3) nonetheless subjected to exotic interpretations to match the agendas of the interpreters.

Read each section as the audience of the day would have understood it, paying attention to the perceived intent of the specific author and the milieu in which he wrote, and it becomes a useful history of the evolution of religious thinking rather than evil incarnate.
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10-23-2009, 12:29 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-23-2009 12:11 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  An upgrade is sorely required.

That's what the Qur'an is, isn't it?
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10-23-2009, 12:37 PM
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RE: End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah‘s day?
(10-23-2009 12:29 PM)Zagreus Wrote:  
(10-23-2009 12:11 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  An upgrade is sorely required.

That's what the Qur'an is, isn't it?

Only in the sense that Windows ME was an upgrade from Windows 98.

Okay, that might be a little harsh, but the Qur'an, while intended to be an upgrade, really doesn't fix any of the problems with Christianity.

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