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Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
02-27-2010, 09:50 AM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2010 09:50 AM by Aijan7d.)
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Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
What's your view on the freedom God gives to His angels and the people on earth to choose, to decide whether they still wish to follow, praise God or not?

Some of you may be familiar with the event of Satan wishing to overthrow God - in Heaven. Satan was originally one of God’s holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven Luke 10:18. Upon reading I notice that even in Heaven the angels still have a choice and it also made me reflect on the setup ogf Heaven and how God works. Later, satan will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years reading Revelation 20:1-3 and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity Revelation 20:10.


While angels are spiritual beings reading Hebrews 1:14, they can appear in human, physical form Mark 16:5. You may be familiar with the event that the men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot reading Genesis 19:1-5.

I actually find Genesis 6:1-4 interesting. Giving weight to the theory that sons on God are angels, is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase “sons of God” always refers to angels. It appears these angels prefered to live amongst people on earth and departed from Heaven.
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03-01-2010, 01:10 PM
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
Interesting findings.
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03-29-2010, 06:11 PM (This post was last modified: 03-29-2010 06:14 PM by deepemotionalguy.)
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
The Truth About Angels

Angelic entities seem to follow the same pattern in dealing with people. Known by different names; "Watchers" "Guardians" "Gatekeepers" their true nature is to keep humanity from progressing in any way ESPECIALLY in the area of mind power or knowledge of the 4th dimension/astral. They are like guards in a concentration camp. The "Watchtowers." To keep humanity in chains, enslaved and without power.

Those who are without and delve into the occult a little too deeply will often meet with unpleasant experiences (again, FEAR is used as a means of control). One way or another, those who are without are often deceived into relationships with angels.

Of course there are variations, but here is what to look for- you will see this if you read anything about people's experiences:

The angelic entity intrudes. Most often the creature is uninvited and takes it upon itself to barge in on someone's psyche totally uninvited.

The entity uses love to lower the victim's defenses. This is done deliberately and masks the entity's true intentions. The victim (human beings are emotionally vulnerable- how many serious mistakes have been made at the mercy of our emotions) feels the "love" and is deceived into believing this is a positive visitor.

The entity never explains much or gives the victim any valuable knowledge. Most questions are not answered, if they are, they are in riddles or nonsense. Any information given is either incorrect or incomplete.

Often, the entity will make a statement that it is coming to warn the victim and/or humanity of "erring ways." This many times has to do with anything the entity deems as a threat to their total control, in most cases playing upon the ability for one to defend one's self; humanity's use of mind power for psychic self defense is EXTREMELY threatening to these alien predators as their main tool of control is through the mind; their worst worry is should humanity ever discover the truth and attain the same powers of the mind as they possess. They preach a false concept of "peace" and "love" to disarm humanity and create a helpless/defenseless Earth. Their own convictions concerning this are made blatantly clear throughout the xtian bible where they are bringers of torture, suffering and death. The book of revelation/apocolypse says it all.

The entity in many cases delivers negative prophesy. Most often, this predicts personal ruin, disaster for the victim, his/her loved ones or others who are close. The entity then offers false reassurance that it will remain with the victim through all of this, but does not lift a finger to stop it.

The entity in many cases, such as with ignorant (unknowing) new age people, acts as a healer when channeled. As usual, no knowledge of any value is given and the healer as well as the patient remain cripples and are helpless without the entity's assistance, making them slaves.

I have dealt with these entities and they are anything but benevolent. They are bringers of death, misfortune and their victims of choice are children. I have seen this many times. People who get into angel magick are either extremely arrogant or their personal lives end up in disaster. One guy who was into this sort of thing was severly depressed and into drugs.

When I was a small child, my mother told me her parents had a baby girl several years before she was born. This little girl, when two years of age (they were xians) would point and say "angel" "angel." Soon afterwards, she hit her head on the streetcar when it jerked to a stop and soon died from complications.

A Christian woman who was expecting a baby was visited by an angel. The angel told her that the baby would be stillborn. Real nice. Of course, the baby was stillborn.

The angels of apocalypse dump fire, plagues and all other kinds of nasties on humanity.

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For too long, so many lies and so much misinformation have been spread about Satan. Many of us have seen him, have conversed with him, and have even been astrally touched by him. Nearly all of us who know him agree concerning his appearance. RHP religions have for far too long, written the book on how they believe him to appear, how they believe Demons to look and these are nothing but blasphemous lies. He is not red with horns and a tail, nor does he look like a Halloween monster. He does not have flaming red eyes or rubbery wings. These depictions are intended to insult, denigrate, and blaspheme him. (There are some lower orders of Demons. They are protectors and messengers who serve the higher-ranking Demons). Here are images of how Satan appears to those of us who have seen him. Contrary to Satanism being labeled as "darkness," Satan appears wearing a long white robe identical to what he is shown wearing in the images below. Many of us see him often and have a very close relationship with him. He is beautiful. His appearance is almost exactly like in the pictures, other than he rarely appears with wings.

His Day is Monday.

His Colors are Blue, Red and Black

He is the Sumerian God EA, also known as ENKI which means "Lord of the Earth." He is also known as Melek Ta'us.

Animals that are sacred to him are the Peacock, the Serpent, the Goat, the Dragon and the Raven.

His numbers are 2 and 11 and 4.
(666 is symbolic of the Age of Aquarius when he will rule again).

His Zodiac Signs are Aquarius, the Water Bearer and Capricorn, the Goat.

His Planets are Uranus and Venus (the Morning Star).

His Directions are both South and East

His most Important Day of the year is December 23, when the Sun is one degree into Capricorn. Capricorn is the 10th sign of the zodiac and the first degree of this sign makes eleven. The day following the beginning of the Winter Solstice is his Personal Day, which should be observed by every dedicated Satanist. (This was dictated directly from him, personally).
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04-03-2010, 07:09 AM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2010 07:12 AM by Aijan7d.)
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
Sounds like an angry satan worshipper who feels that Christianity (as he has chosen to discuss) is getting in the way of performing his black magic and the world accepting it. Bottom of site ''Copyright 2004, Joy of Satan Ministries; ''. The website should be re-titled 'Exposing Cathicolism'.

Wonder why he did not take up Islam and Judaism on the issue of my topic. Proves my point above.

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04-05-2010, 03:10 PM
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
Deepemotionalguy, Aijan7d's question, at least seemed to me, to be directed at Christian biblical answers, not replies from anti-christian sites and non-biblical sources.

Aijan7d, I'll give you my thoughts in the next couple days after I can look up scripture and such. It's 10pm and I'm in the dark on my laptop in bed... Smile
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04-05-2010, 06:01 PM
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven
The story of Satan is an amazing one. I am aware of why he was cast out of heaven with a third of his angels. You see Lucifer was one of the highest ranking Angels standing next to the throne of God. He rebelled against God because he thought he knew and could do better. He led a third of the Angels astray against God and he was cast out with the rest. To this day he is trying to lead people away from God and follow him.

when judgement day comes Lucifer will have created a massive army to confront Gods people.

Now have a think about this:

Is Lucifers army the Athiests ?...No. Lucifer will require an army that is ruthless and zealus in their thinking and ideology. What better way than to obtain this than through a religion where millions or billions follow mindlessly.

Asa for free will it is given to every human on Earth and yes I belive the Angels also have free will or Lucifer would not have done as he did. This is why God wants us to accept him freely, not by forced conversion. God wants you to study scripture to come to your own conclusions about him, not the conclusions of others. The ones that decide to follow of their own free will are Gods people.[/align]
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05-27-2010, 02:10 AM
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RE: Freedom to choose - even in Heaven


* here is a few from the above link )

42 youths. They mocked Elisha's bald head. No kidding - God sends bears to maul them to death. 2 Kg.2:23-24. (Important safety tip: When dealing with God's prophets, don't highlight the testosterone design error which has male pattern baldness as a side effect.) See also, Christian morality, Elisha and the bears.
Uzzah. Touching the Ark while trying to prevent it from tipping over. Not specified. 2 Sam.6:6-7. (No good deed goes unpunished.)
Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron. Offering strange fire before the Lord. Burnt to death Lev.10:1-3 (God, being a perfectionist, does not tolerate mistakes during rituals.)
Korah, Dathan, Abiram and their respective families (including of course the little children). Claiming to be as holy as Moses and Aaron. The earth opened up and swallowed them - burying them alive. Num.16:27-32
250 Israelites. Followers of Korah. Burnt to death by fire from God. Num.16:35
14,700 Israelites. Complaining about the previous two loving assassinations. Plague Num.16:49 (The management thanks you for your feedback. Now die!)
Undisclosed number of Israelites. Despairing, and complaining about the quality of bread. Being bitten to death by divinely summoned fiery serpents. Num. 21:4-9 (Honestly, wouldn't it be cool just to try this to see it happen? C'mon, I dare ya. . .)
24,000 Israelites Sexual immorality with Moabite women and worshiping Baal. Plague. Num.25:9 (Proving once more that despite God being obviously real and very jealous, Israelites would worship a sandwich if Moses so much as popped out to buy a newspaper.)
Either 70 or 50,070 Israelites (dependent on how the inerrant Bible is translated). Looking in to the Ark of the Covenant (Like the ending of Indiana Jones: Raiders of The Lost Ark). Not specified 1 Sam.6:19


This is the full list of people that were killed by Satan himself, according to the Old and New Testament books of the Bible. He's a long way behind God on this one.

* Job's children and servants (possibly slaves). Satan and God made a bet. God allowed Satan to kill Job's children and servants to test Job in order to see how righteous he was. (So I guess God doesn't come out too well on this one anyway.)

Yep, that's all, one guy's kids and servants, and even those were on a contract basis so God could test Job. Not so good for the Prince of All Evil™.[1]

So, who seems to be the nicer one? God or Satan?

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