God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.

[Greatest I am]

God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2K...re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_fjBkw...re=related

I think that the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty perpetrator is immoral. Be it a willing sacrifice as some believe with Jesus or unwilling victim.

I also think that God, who has a plethora of other options, would have come up with a moral way instead of an immoral and barbaric human sacrifice.

I agree with scriptures say that we are all responsible for our own righteousness as well as our own iniquity and that God cannot be bribed by sacrifice.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psalm 49:7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

I believe as I do because I believe that the first rule of morality is harm/care of children.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Do you agree that the notion of substitutionary atonement is immoral and that God’s first principle of morality is hare/harm and that this would prevent him from demanding the death of his son?

Regards
DL

[connermt]

(06-01-2012 06:57 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.
I think that the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty perpetrator is immoral. Be it a willing sacrifice as some believe with Jesus or unwilling victim.

I also think that God, who has a plethora of other options, would have come up with a moral way instead of an immoral and barbaric human sacrifice.

Regards
DL

Thank you! Finally someone understands that such a being that could do anything it wants, to stoop to a human level of understanding, smacks of human invention. There's nothing supreme or deity-like in the christian story of god. It's very "human".

[Painkiller]

Er... lots people understand that, Conner. It's a pretty well-used argument.

[EqualAtheist]

Pain, You think any Atheists have ever used that argument at all? Perhaps some that do not feel beneath Theists, but more an Equal?

[connermt]

(06-04-2012 06:37 PM)Painkiller Wrote:  Er... lots people understand that, Conner. It's a pretty well-used argument.

It was a figure of speach...

[Greatest I am]

(06-04-2012 02:00 PM)connermt Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 06:57 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.
I think that the notion that punishing the innocent instead of the guilty perpetrator is immoral. Be it a willing sacrifice as some believe with Jesus or unwilling victim.

I also think that God, who has a plethora of other options, would have come up with a moral way instead of an immoral and barbaric human sacrifice.

Regards
DL

Thank you! Finally someone understands that such a being that could do anything it wants, to stoop to a human level of understanding, smacks of human invention. There's nothing supreme or deity-like in the christian story of god. It's very "human".

+ 1

All that is imagined about God has come from the minds of humans who can somehow fathom an entity they say is unfathomable.
Quite the self-delusion that.

Regards
DL

[Painkiller]

"+1"? You're agreeing with someone, for agreeing with you? Is this a private We're So Clever party, or can anyone start slapping each others' backs? I cooked a fantastic vegetable soup, earlier, +1 for anyone who enjoys it too!

[Visqueen]

-1 for not including bacon.

[Alison2]

+1 for noting the absence of bacon!

[Greatest I am]

Veggie soup is for wimps.

Meat man, meat. Now that is soup.

Then like Christians, we can all be washed in blood.

Regards
DL