How can anybody NOT believe the bible is God's inspired Word?

[Yefet]

Quote:do you believe that the old testament as we call it is the inspired word of GOD, if so why? if not why not? lets talk about the old testament first before we move on to the new.

Not in the way you do, To a Hasdic Jew, the Hebrew letters make up the Otiyot Yesod , all the stories, phrases, names, and, especially, the very letters have significance that goes far beyond their literal or conventional meaning that somehow are twisted to mean something that is unrecognizable to someone who reads Hebrew
each and every word in the Torah is a symbol for one or more of the Sefirot, which Ein-sof manifest itself, kind of like a big bowl of letter soup, every Letter and word is contained in potencial, thus Ein Sof, until drawn down into something, the something from nothing that everyone is so hung up on ,that is used by man in a certain way
In Tikkune ha-Zohar there are seventy interpretations of the first five verses of Bereishit
Someone once told me there are over twelve hundred books written about the very first letter in Torah ,beit, In the Midrash it says that the Torah didn’t start with alef because it is the first letter of the word arur or cursed so the letter beit is used because it is the first letter of the word baruch or blessed. And I could go on forever from there
You have to understand to a Jew or Hebrew there is no Old testament there is only the Written Torah or the Tanakh sometimes they are broken up into weekly readings called parshiyot and we read and discuss these chapters everyday from pre bar mitzvah age to the day we die
So, anything that is added by way of Injecting Christian theology or what you call The new testament is simply rejected by the Jew, so with me anyway ,there will be no moving on to the New testament, But Thanks anyway

[quickjoe]

That is an epic post, Yefet.

[EqualAtheist]

I Yessica still here. I have a few questions which might be a totally different topic, but would like to keep from creating new ones. If still here, Might I ask a few questions?

[Azrael17]

(12-15-2012 01:02 PM)Yessica Wrote:  The bible was written over a 1600 year span, during 60 generations, over a time period of 1400 years. The writers were a diverse group of people, not only seperate from each other by hundreds of years and milesm but they also belonged to different walks of life varying between kings, herdsmen, soldiers, legislators, fishermen, statesmenm priests, prophets, a tentmaker, a physician and many others.

It was written in a variety of places and within different customs, during times of war and times of peace and over different continents. The writings belongs to different literature types and was even written in different languages.

Yet the bible speaks as a whole, it speaks with amazing unity and harmony!!!

The Old Testament speaks in shadows about the redemption to come through the blood of the Messiah, to take away the sin of he world, and the New Testament unveils it through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

God's plan of salvation is so foreign to human thinking and human philosophy, how could any man have come up with this? Even if God chose one man to write it all it would still have been amazing.

The death and resurrection of Jesus, is an historic fact.
The miracles Jesus did are documented historically.
The prophecies about Jesus all through the Old Testament, when people didn't even yet understood God's great plan, are all over, from His virgin birth (Is 7:14),his birthplace (Mic 5:2), Him being called out of Egypt (Hos 11:1), His meekness, compassion, zeal, preaching, miracles, being rejected by his brethren, being a stumbling stone to the Jews, hated by the Jews, His disciples that would forsake Him, Him being sold for 30 pieces of silver, Him being smitten on the cheek, spit on, nailed to the cross, forsaken by God, mocked, His intercession for His murders...on and on I can go and it was all literally fulfilled.

The Jewish passover celebration year after year, were showing forth to His death as the Lamb of God in the finest detail, the Ram provided in the place of Abraham's son, and every single Jewish feast, was pointing to Jesus and what He would fulfill.

And He as a single man fulfilled each and every one of those things. Which in itself is absolutely impossible to have happened any other way but supernaturally.

The message of the bible, the places referred to, the names mentioned, can be verified historically.

On even one of these points, it is hard to undersand how somebody can not believe that the bible is supernatural. But with all of these things combined, you really have to be blind to not believe.

My faith lies with the one who inspired the book,
NOT IN THE BOOK IT'S SELF!

The bible was created by men who were moved by super natural forces. Not all of those forces could have come from a loving and forgiving god as the God of the old testament is a spiteful, jealous, murderous thug. That describes the devil more than it describes God. Blood Sacrifice was never needed because God is All Powerful. Only a weak demon would require some thing as archaic as a blood ritual. Salvation comes from Gods Mercy on us. We are suppose to strive to better ourselves and learn from our mistakes, to not willfully sin. No one is perfect but God will forgive us as long as we love all others, Love god, and love ourselves.
Most of the basic commandments will begin to fall into place If you can learn to just love.

[Painkiller]

(12-16-2012 12:57 PM)Aeroflot Wrote:  I admire your willingness to be openminded.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Ahahahahahahaha.

Ha.

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(12-17-2012 10:40 AM)Visqueen Wrote:  I mentioned Kay because he is Muslim and I know that he firmly and unshakeably believes that his faith is the truth and that his idea of god is the truth and there is no other. Just as you do. I will ask you again, how do you know you aren't the one who is incorrect or being deceived to use your phrase? Perhaps Kay is correct and you aren't. Or perhaps your god reveals itself to you in one way and to Kay in another but it's the same god. I'm never sure how anyone can claim with utter certainty that they know the truth regarding what's real and what isn't when it comes to god.

This is exactly what I wanted to say, better than I would have said it. Spot on.

[Mlakian]

(01-05-2013 02:09 AM)Azrael17 Wrote:  My faith lies with the one who inspired the book,
NOT IN THE BOOK IT'S SELF!

The bible was created by men who were moved by super natural forces. Not all of those forces could have come from a loving and forgiving god as the God of the old testament is a spiteful, jealous, murderous thug. That describes the devil more than it describes God. Blood Sacrifice was never needed because God is All Powerful. Only a weak demon would require some thing as archaic as a blood ritual. Salvation comes from Gods Mercy on us. We are suppose to strive to better ourselves and learn from our mistakes, to not willfully sin. No one is perfect but God will forgive us as long as we love all others, Love god, and love ourselves.
Most of the basic commandments will begin to fall into place If you can learn to just love.

I think you're going to have quite the shock then when you meet God. What god do you even worship? It seems you've made your own one and yet you proclaim to be Christian.

"God of the old testament is a spiteful, jealous, murderous thug"

Then so is the God of the New Testament or do you accuse Jesus of being a liar? The problem with people who criticize the Old Testament is that they don't understand the narrative. You read about God killing someone and instantly it's murder because The Bible doesn't go into detail about why the person deserved to die.

Atheists, anti-christians and people who dismiss the Old Testament often quote things like God killing all the first born children of Egypt and David's son as proof that God is a murderer, never-mind the fact that God states many times in most of the books of the Old Testament that he spares the righteous. If God spared Job and his family (the only righteous ones in Sodom) and turned his wrath from Nineveh when the people there repented why would it be different elsewhere? Without the scripture of the Old Testament, the sacrifice of Jesus makes no sense. The New Testament not only quotes from the Old Testament but is founded upon it.

The Bible was written by man but the fulfilled prophecies show it's divinely inspired.

Some atheists lacking education on the subject of Biblical prophecies like to quote the prophecy of Tyre as proof the prophecies of The Bible are wrong but everyone who has done study on Tyre will have learned that Alexander The Great threw the mainland city into the sea (exactly as The Book of Ezekiel, written long before the event happened, described would happen) to reach the island fort nearby.

Another Tyre was rebuilt near the city but not on the same spot where the ruins can still be seen, most of it was thrown into the sea. So the prophecy was fulfilled.

As for David's son, a quick Google search would reveal to you the real reason why he died. David himself condemned him and his other three sons by saying that he (David) will have to pay-back fourfold for his murder (which God forgave him for).

Perhaps you're being influenced by evil spirits yourself to create your own god and dismiss the divine inspiration behind The Bible.

Good day.

[Adi Baba]

there was an early sect of christianity (branded heretical, of course) they said that the devil is the Material God of the old testament, and The holy spirit was the God inside Jesus,that came to lead us to heaven......

[trevor]

To the question posed by the title of this thread..."by reading it?"

[Azrael17]

(02-03-2013 12:04 PM)Mlakian Wrote:  

(01-05-2013 02:09 AM)Azrael17 Wrote:  My faith lies with the one who inspired the book,
NOT IN THE BOOK IT'S SELF!

The bible was created by men who were moved by super natural forces. Not all of those forces could have come from a loving and forgiving god as the God of the old testament is a spiteful, jealous, murderous thug. That describes the devil more than it describes God. Blood Sacrifice was never needed because God is All Powerful. Only a weak demon would require some thing as archaic as a blood ritual. Salvation comes from Gods Mercy on us. We are suppose to strive to better ourselves and learn from our mistakes, to not willfully sin. No one is perfect but God will forgive us as long as we love all others, Love god, and love ourselves.
Most of the basic commandments will begin to fall into place If you can learn to just love.

I think you're going to have quite the shock then when you meet God. What god do you even worship? It seems you've made your own one and yet you proclaim to be Christian.

"God of the old testament is a spiteful, jealous, murderous thug"

Then so is the God of the New Testament or do you accuse Jesus of being a liar? The problem with people who criticize the Old Testament is that they don't understand the narrative. You read about God killing someone and instantly it's murder because The Bible doesn't go into detail about why the person deserved to die.

Atheists, anti-christians and people who dismiss the Old Testament often quote things like God killing all the first born children of Egypt and David's son as proof that God is a murderer, never-mind the fact that God states many times in most of the books of the Old Testament that he spares the righteous. If God spared Job and his family (the only righteous ones in Sodom) and turned his wrath from Nineveh when the people there repented why would it be different elsewhere? Without the scripture of the Old Testament, the sacrifice of Jesus makes no sense. The New Testament not only quotes from the Old Testament but is founded upon it.

The Bible was written by man but the fulfilled prophecies show it's divinely inspired.

Some atheists lacking education on the subject of Biblical prophecies like to quote the prophecy of Tyre as proof the prophecies of The Bible are wrong but everyone who has done study on Tyre will have learned that Alexander The Great threw the mainland city into the sea (exactly as The Book of Ezekiel, written long before the event happened, described would happen) to reach the island fort nearby.

Another Tyre was rebuilt near the city but not on the same spot where the ruins can still be seen, most of it was thrown into the sea. So the prophecy was fulfilled.

As for David's son, a quick Google search would reveal to you the real reason why he died. David himself condemned him and his other three sons by saying that he (David) will have to pay-back fourfold for his murder (which God forgave him for).

Perhaps you're being influenced by evil spirits yourself to create your own god and dismiss the divine inspiration behind The Bible.

Good day.

"And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart!"

"And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart!"

"And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart!"

Several times the Lord of the old testament influenced Pharaoh's will possessed him if you will and made him more and more stubborn.
The Lord did it, God created all people not just the Hebrew so why then would he show favoritism on a few. Why chose only to reveal himself to just the Hebrews and not to every one. Yes he spoke to Pharaoh through Mosses and Aaron but if he would have spoken to Pharaoh directly whose to say that all that death could have been avoided.
He hardened Pharaoh's heart why because he was jealous that these people chose to worship their own creation. So God promises the Hebrews their own land and he leads them out into a desert and what does he do after torturing them in the heat, but tell them to go kill a nation filled with other people. First he gives theme the commandments then he orders them to break one in his name. He ordered the death of sinners not just adults but children. The Hebrew God is a hardcore fascist masquerading as love.

He gives us a gift of a loving man such as Jesus and what do we think happened, we think he was evil enough to use him as a blood ritual sacrifice. No God is not the devil, God can forgive people with out blood, God can do any thing. Maybe the devil needs blood to forgive you but my god doesn't, and my god is Jesus's true father and he did not murder his own son. A horde of arrogant religious men murdered Jesus and they where possessed by the same force that possessed Pharaoh in Mosses's time, and that would be your lord, your god, the devil.

Don't think that the devil is weak, he is strong but with god's love man is stronger. I rebuke you in the name of Holy Spirit, Sophia.

"Like moths to the flame they flock to Lucifer's light stricken with awe
and blinded by the light.
But I say unto you it is better to wade in the darkness
than to be blinded by the light
so from the shadow of God let your soul take flight."

You say that evil men must perish, but if that is true god would have slain us all long ago or have you forgotten, "All have fallen short of the glory of the lord."