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How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
02-27-2010, 10:11 AM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2010 10:14 AM by Aijan7d.)
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How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
...In order to justify its authenticity? Some Muslims proudly quote several passages in the Quran 30:48; 24:43, as scientifically accurate explanations of the hydrologic water cycle. Given the fact the Bible had already fully documented the hydrologic water cycle 1600 before the Quran in Job 36:27-28, and 3 other passages Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Eccl 1:6-7. Seems as though it's one of many proofs that Muhammad merely copied the scientific facts of the hydrologic water cycle directly from the Bible. Some Muslims even go as far to state that the Bible is corrupted.
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02-27-2010, 03:20 PM
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
We believe that
The bible, Koran, Torah
Are from god
So that surly they will not be so different
And some Muslims go back to bible to read more a bout prophets
We believe that it is really from god
But some of its words were changed
So we can not work by it
Our prophet have never met a Christian scholar just
Once when he was young and for minutes and that Christian told his uncle that he will be a prophet
Another when the angle comes to him
His wife takes him to Christian and he told him that he is a prophet
That is the only two times which proven by history
Our prophet does not know how to read or write so for sure he does not make copy and past for bible
But the same Allah whose bible is for him the Koran is for him
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04-19-2010, 07:51 PM (This post was last modified: 04-19-2010 07:53 PM by Islam=True.)
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
Im sorry Muslim girl but that isnt true, We muslim people actually and only believe in Quran and the Quran only. Not in the torah or bible or other Not Literal word from GOD scripture.
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04-20-2010, 01:21 PM
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
(02-27-2010 10:11 AM)Aijan7d Wrote:  ...In order to justify its authenticity? Some Muslims proudly quote several passages in the Quran 30:48; 24:43, as scientifically accurate explanations of the hydrologic water cycle. Given the fact the Bible had already fully documented the hydrologic water cycle 1600 before the Quran in Job 36:27-28, and 3 other passages Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Eccl 1:6-7. Seems as though it's one of many proofs that Muhammad merely copied the scientific facts of the hydrologic water cycle directly from the Bible. Some Muslims even go as far to state that the Bible is corrupted.

How is it possible to copy other sources and put it in the Quran?
Prophet Muhammad (May Allah be pleased with him) Was illiterate
Yes that's the beauty of Islam Its the Only way to live, look how the Christians Corrupt the world? It says in the bible don't drink or eat pork. but what are you guys doing?

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04-21-2010, 01:52 PM
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
(02-27-2010 10:11 AM)Aijan7d Wrote:  ...In order to justify its authenticity? Some Muslims proudly quote several passages in the Quran 30:48; 24:43, as scientifically accurate explanations of the hydrologic water cycle. Given the fact the Bible had already fully documented the hydrologic water cycle 1600 before the Quran in Job 36:27-28, and 3 other passages Eccl 11:3; Job 26:8; Eccl 1:6-7. Seems as though it's one of many proofs that Muhammad merely copied the scientific facts of the hydrologic water cycle directly from the Bible. Some Muslims even go as far to state that the Bible is corrupted.

In fact, the Quran corrects the scientific errors in the Bible, had Muhammad been copying those scientific "facts" mentioned in the Bible, he would also copy the errors as well, not correct them!

For example, the Bible says that the flood was on the whole world, but the Quran says no, it was only on Noah's people, not the whole world which is unscientific.

For more examples, you can watch this great debate "The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science" at http://english.truthway.tv/zakirnaik/index.html

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04-21-2010, 03:59 PM
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
And Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) was illeterate which makes it impossible for him to copy stuff off the bible, plus for muhammad to correct would also be impossible.
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04-22-2010, 03:36 PM
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The Bible and torah was From Allah (SWT)
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04-22-2010, 05:04 PM (This post was last modified: 04-22-2010 05:12 PM by Phill.)
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
Mohammad (AKA Ubul Kassim) was indeed illiterate. But he could understand and comprehend what people were saying and definitely knew what was contained in the Torah and the Gospel from the stories he had heard. His first wife cousin Waraqa was somewhat of a Christian scholar. It was Waraqa that Khadija went to see when Mohammad allegedly had his revelation to try and get Waraqa to tell Mohammad he was a prophet.
So to say Mohhamad knew nothing of the Torah and the Gospel are false. He was also well acquainted with numerous other religions like Sabienism, Zoroastrianism and the Hanifs.

As for scientific proofs in the Quran, nothing could be further from the truth. The so called proofs are from the imagination of Muslims alone trying to convince the world the Quran is from the God of the Jews and Christians. Muslims will jump at any chance to try and prove the Koran scientifically accurate. I remember a photo NASA published which showed a red nebula somewhere in space. Muslims jumped on this to prove it was written in the Koran by showing a verse which proved the red nebula’s. It was only after this that NASA came forward and said the nebula wasn’t red at all it was just a colour they touched it up with for visual effect. It is also interestying that the Koran never mentions that the woman also has a 50% role in creating human life. This shows that Mohammad thought that it was man alone that created life from sperm and the woman just carried it. Apart from that also the fact that he stuffed up the place where sperm comes from....Science clearly shows it does not come from between the ribs and backbone. He also thought when someone had a high fever it was because of the hellfire and not the scientifically proven fact that a virus causes it. Is the Koran scientifically sound ???....thats a big NO from the educated world.
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04-22-2010, 05:59 PM (This post was last modified: 04-22-2010 05:59 PM by Islam=True.)
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
It is true that Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) received his first revelation in his fortieth year. And it is true that both the books of the Bible and the Qur’an cover much common ground. It is also true that in the course of 23 years, verses were revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be on him) on different occasions and that he asked his followers to put these verses in particular places in different chapters. All this is true. But the conclusion of the Christian critics that the Prophet had been memorizing Biblical verses during the first 40 years of his life in order to fabricate the Qur’an is untenable for the following reasons:

1. There was no Arabic translation of the Bible available during the Prophet’s time.

Ernst Würthwein informs us in his book Is The Bible Really The Source of The Qur’an?, The Text Of The Old Testament:
“With the victory of Islam the use of Arabic spread widely and for Jews and Christians in the conquered lands it became the language of daily life. This gave rise to the need of Arabic versions of the Bible, which need was met by a number of versions mainly independent and concerned primarily for interpretation.” (Ernst Würthwein, The Text Of The Old Testament (Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1988, pp. 104.)

Thus, the first translations of the Hebrew Bible in Arabic appeared after the advent of Islam. In fact, the oldest dated manuscript of the Old Testament in Arabic dates from the first half of the ninth century.

What about the New Testament?
Sidney H Griffith, who has done extensive research on the appearance of Arabic and the New Testament says:
“The oldest dated manuscript containing the Gospels in Arabic is Sinai Arabic MS 72. Here the text of the four canonical Gospels is marked off according to the lessons of the temporal cycle of the Greek liturgical calendar of the Jerusalem Church. A colophon informs us that the MS was written by Stephen of Ramleh in the year 284 of the Arabs, i.e., 897 AD.” (Sidney H Griffith, The Gospel in Arabic: An Enquiry into Its Appearance in the First Abbasid Century, Oriens Christianus, Volume 69, p. 131-132.)

2. It is well-known that the Prophet did not know how to read or write: he was illiterate. So there was no question of his plagiarizing the Bible, even if an Arabic copy did in fact exist in his time. What then of the charge that he was taught by some Christians?

Allah the Almighty answered the criticism fourteen centuries ago in these verses, which say what means:

*{Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say [aught] of [his own] desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by One Mighty in power.}* (An-Najm 53:2–5)

To deny the divine origin of the Qur’an missionaries claim that Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) knew all the sources—Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Hanif and ancient Arab beliefs—before he compiled the Qur’an. However, this ignores the simple fact of his illiteracy that was even acknowledged by the enemies of Islam 1400 years ago. Allah the Almighty also answered this in the Qur’an, when it says what means:
*{And thou wast not [able] to recite a Book before this [Book came] nor art thou [able] to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed would the talkers of vanities have doubted. Nay here are signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our signs.}* (Al-`Ankabut 29:48–49).

Despite all this, the missionaries have been repeating the same arguments, hoping to mislead the gullible. It was common knowledge in Makkah that the Prophet was illiterate, and there is no record of the pagan Arabs in Makkah accusing Muhammad (peace be upon him) of not being illiterate.

The reasons why the whole of the Qur’an was not revealed to the Prophet at one time are well known: (1) It was only reasonable and realistic to reveal the guidance of Allah governing the individual and social lives of the gradually evolving Muslim society at the same pace as its stage-by-stage emergence in space and time. So verses had to be revealed to the Prophet depending upon the contexts demanding divine guidance.

(2) It was easier for the Prophet and his Companions to learn and imbibe the Qur’anic message as it was being revealed in small portions.

You also ask, “If the Prophet was asked by Allah to seek forgiveness, as is mentioned in the Qur’an, how can the Muslims believe that he was sinless?”

Please understand that Muslims do not believe that Muhammad (peace be on him) or any prophet for that matter was anything more than human. In this way we need not have any problem in recognizing any weakness in them that is characteristic of humans. But it is part of our belief that all prophets were protected by Allah from the usual failings of ordinary humans. Bear in mind that this is true not only of Muhammad, but also of all prophets including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace and blessings be on them all).

Muhammad (peace and blessings be on him), as well as all other prophets, was a model for all humans in all walks of life. Only a human who is like all other humans can serve as a model for other humans. That is why most Christians who imagine Jesus to be God cannot emulate his life as perceived by the Christians. For instance, Jesus is reported to have fasted forty days and forty nights continuously. Can this form of fasting be an example for others to follow? It is important to note that the fasting of Muhammad is being followed by millions of his followers until today.

Allah says in the Qur’an that if He wanted to give humankind what they actually deserved, nobody would remain on the face of the earth. But Allah is All-Merciful. Islam is meant for humans, and it is clearly stated in the Qur’an that Allah created humans as weak creatures. The Qur’an says what means:

*{God doth wish to lighten your [difficulties], for man was created weak [in flesh].}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:28)

So it is only natural that humans need divine guidance to keep themselves free from sins. And Allah in His infinite mercy allows us to continue to live here even after we disobey Him again and again. Now the life of a prophet is a practical demonstration of how to live according to divine guidance. Allah taught the prophet not only to do good things, but to avoid all bad things and to seek His forgiveness for any mistakes or lapses on his part as a human being. So no one, not even the Prophet, is exempt from seeking Allah’s forgiveness. And that is the reason why Muhammad (peace be upon him) was asked to seek Allah’s forgiveness.

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04-22-2010, 10:39 PM
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RE: How many scientific facts has the Quran copied from other sources?
(04-22-2010 03:36 PM)Islam=True Wrote:  The Bible and torah was From Allah (SWT)

Brother, this is not true, we don't believe in the Bible, we believe in the Gospel, there's a big difference between the two.

We believe in the Gospel of Jesus, not the Bible.

"And in their footsteps We [God] sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God." [Quran, 5:46]

So as you can see my brother, the verse doesn't say that God sent the Gospel to Mark or Luke or Matthew, no, it says to Jesus.

And yes, we believe in the Torah of Moses, but not the one the Jews have today, because what they have was not authored by Moses.

(04-22-2010 05:04 PM)Phill Wrote:  I remember a photo NASA published which showed a red nebula somewhere in space. Muslims jumped on this to prove it was written in the Koran by showing a verse which proved the red nebula’s. It was only after this that NASA came forward and said the nebula wasn’t red at all it was just a colour they touched it up with for visual effect.

I want you to show me where does the Quran speak about RED nebulas?

(04-22-2010 05:04 PM)Phill Wrote:  Apart from that also the fact that he stuffed up the place where sperm comes from....Science clearly shows it does not come from between the ribs and backbone. He also thought when someone had a high fever it was because of the hellfire and not the scientifically proven fact that a virus causes it. Is the Koran scientifically sound ???....thats a big NO from the educated world.

This is explained in details at http://www.answering-christianity.com/se...nation.htm

Also refer to http://www.youtube.com/user/learntrueisl...8B1B9B0CA8 for more embryological facts mentioned in the Quran 15 centuries ago.

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