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Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.
07-21-2013, 02:37 PM (This post was last modified: 07-21-2013 11:59 PM by Visqueen.)
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Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.
If Satan cannot touch the body of Christ, then why did Paul instruct us to put on the armor of God, to resist the devil, to stand firm, and to be alert? If we are not susceptible to being wounded or trapped by Satan, why does Paul describe our relationship to the powers of darkness as a wrestling match? Those who deny the enemy’s potential for destruction are the most vulnerable to it. Even though our eternal destiny is secure and the armor of God is readily available, we are still vulnerable to Satan’s accusations and temptations. If we give into these, we can be influenced by Satan, and if we remain under his influence long enough, we can lose control, if we fail to stand against him. Ownership is never at stake, Satan cannot touch our new identity, but as long as we are living in this fleshly body, we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable targets to all Satan’s fiery darts. How do you think Satan carries on his worldwide ministry of evil and deception? He is a created being; he is not omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent. He cannot be everywhere in the world tempting and deceiving millions of people at the same moment. He does so through an army of emissaries “fallen angels called evil spirits” who propagate his plan of rebellion around the world. The Bible does not attempt to prove the existence of evil spirits any more than it attempts to prove the existence of God, it simply reports on their activities.
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07-21-2013, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 07-21-2013 11:59 PM by Visqueen.)
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RE: Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.
(07-21-2013 02:37 PM)newnature Wrote:  If Satan cannot touch the body of Christ, then why did Paul instruct us to put on the armor of God, to resist the devil, to stand firm, and to be alert? If we are not susceptible to being wounded or trapped by Satan, why does Paul describe our relationship to the powers of darkness as a wrestling match? Those who deny the enemy’s potential for destruction are the most vulnerable to it. Even though our eternal destiny is secure and the armor of God is readily available, we are still vulnerable to Satan’s accusations and temptations. If we give into these, we can be influenced by Satan, and if we remain under his influence long enough, we can lose control, if we fail to stand against him. Ownership is never at stake, Satan cannot touch our new identity, but as long as we are living in this fleshly body, we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable targets to all Satan’s fiery darts. How do you think Satan carries on his worldwide ministry of evil and deception? He is a created being; he is not omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent. He cannot be everywhere in the world tempting and deceiving millions of people at the same moment. He does so through an army of emissaries “fallen angels called evil spirits” who propagate his plan of rebellion around the world. The Bible does not attempt to prove the existence of evil spirits any more than it attempts to prove the existence of God, it simply reports on their activities.

Fallen Angels are not all evil, some of them are good and others just simply exists and are neither good or evil.

The devils army also consists of Unclean Spirits of the deceased who refused to move on.

The devil is rooted inside us as a part of our human nature, God designed it and in it's time our Instinct has it's uses. The devil is merely a manifestation of the beast like instinct inside humans. Though there are spiritual entities known as devils that pray on this instinct and attempt to get us to give into it in a wrong manner.

"Hidden underneath the stoned cold surface of every Pious Person lays buried a Kinky Pervert, Stop bringing shovels, Where not digging!"-Azrael
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07-21-2013, 06:05 PM (This post was last modified: 07-21-2013 11:59 PM by Visqueen.)
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RE: Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.
(07-21-2013 02:37 PM)newnature Wrote:  If Satan cannot touch the body of Christ, then why did Paul instruct us to put on the armor of God, to resist the devil, to stand firm, and to be alert? If we are not susceptible to being wounded or trapped by Satan, why does Paul describe our relationship to the powers of darkness as a wrestling match? Those who deny the enemy’s potential for destruction are the most vulnerable to it. Even though our eternal destiny is secure and the armor of God is readily available, we are still vulnerable to Satan’s accusations and temptations. If we give into these, we can be influenced by Satan, and if we remain under his influence long enough, we can lose control, if we fail to stand against him. Ownership is never at stake, Satan cannot touch our new identity, but as long as we are living in this fleshly body, we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable targets to all Satan’s fiery darts. How do you think Satan carries on his worldwide ministry of evil and deception? He is a created being; he is not omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent. He cannot be everywhere in the world tempting and deceiving millions of people at the same moment. He does so through an army of emissaries “fallen angels called evil spirits” who propagate his plan of rebellion around the world. The Bible does not attempt to prove the existence of evil spirits any more than it attempts to prove the existence of God, it simply reports on their activities.

If you believe you can be really saved, having your fleshy body remain sinful and your spirit declared righteous by imputed righteousness that you can't lose, then I will believe you are teaching another Gospel than that which Paul really taught...

You preach Gnosticism, all you "Easy Believists" do, with your "Once saved, always saved" corollary. For nineteen centuries both Catholics and Protestants saw your beliefs as heresy. That does not deserve to change.

"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -Justin Martyr
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07-22-2013, 04:15 PM
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RE: Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.
Go back to genesis when Adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. what did god say "they have become like us knowing both good and evil. Skip ahead to John 1:1 where we have the nature of god defined "in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god." Word in the original Greek is logos which means idea. saint anslem of Canterbury taught with his ontological argument for the existence for god, that god is a great thought the greatest thing that could be thought. as such this great thought contains within it all possible thoughts. Paul was alluding to this in his analogy of the body of Christ. The head controls the body I,e the great thought creates all lesser thoughts. and as the all parts of the interact with each other such as the hand scratch's the nose so to do all ideas interact with one another. now god itself is both good and evil (as it says in genesis) for he could not be love as many assert because to be love would place limits upon itself and god has no limits, passes to us ideas the same way the brain sends messages to the hand via bio-electricity passing through the nervous center. the way this great thought passes ideas to lesser thoughts is through the use of the Socratic method, which is the asking of questions. in the analogy of the body this would work as the hand touches fire and the sense of touch (the question) asks the brain what it should do. the brain commands the hand to remove itself from the fire (the answer). so by this relationship between lesser and greater ideas we know all things. The brain (god) knows everything the body being commanded by the brain in turn knows all things it just does not know it all at once but is served out as needed. so one can never be free from the devil because it is part of god and you are part of god. In the analogy of the body the devil would be pain or illness and these things can not be avoided.
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