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Imprecise Ramblings
07-14-2017, 04:21 PM
Post: #361
RE: Imprecise Ramblings
(07-14-2017 03:54 PM)The_Squid Wrote:  The Santa/socialism meme makes no sense whatsoever. Socialism really is a thing, whether you agree with it or not.

You are being too literal. To believe in a religion for example means more than just admitting its existence. It means accepting its tenets. Believing in Socialism in this context means accepting its tenets as viable and desirable in the real world.

Would you want people to think you believe in Christianity with no further qualifiers?

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07-16-2017, 06:38 AM
Post: #362
RE: Imprecise Ramblings
Today, the third Sunday in July, is National Ice Cream Day in the US, July being National Ice Cream month.

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07-16-2017, 08:54 AM
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07-16-2017, 12:03 PM
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Sweden is not a socialist country. Socialism means worker and/or government ownership of the means of production. That has always failed big time. Sweden is a welfare state (not pejorative) supported by capitalism.

A major factor is businesses leaving Detroit was the United Auto Workers union, which went insane with power. The places businesses went to also had unions, just not insane ones.

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07-16-2017, 12:26 PM
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Sweden is a socialist country though. In fact it's one of the most socialist countries in the world. And most people who are for socialism (including myself) advocate for such a style.

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07-16-2017, 01:10 PM (This post was last modified: 07-16-2017 01:12 PM by shiverleaf15.)
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RE: Imprecise Ramblings
Actual socialists do say Sweden isn't socialist though. Social democracy and even "democratic socialism" are not socialism, but as Imprecise said, welfare state, and indeed, I like that style a lot myself, so I too do not use this term in the pejorative.

Imprecise is right: Socialism requires gov't to seize means of production even partially. Taxation for welfare is not socialism but it is aligned with the same ideals that tend to fuel socialism (elimination of class inequality, welfare, etc).

EDIT: Can't speak for Imprecise but I'm not anti-socialism necessarily. But myself, I prefer the welfare state.

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07-16-2017, 02:05 PM
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(07-16-2017 01:10 PM)shiverleaf15 Wrote:  Taxation for welfare is not socialism but it is aligned with the same ideals that tend to fuel socialism (elimination of class inequality, welfare, etc).

Nail on the head here - the Scandinavian countries have simply taken some socialistic ideas a tad further than any other country in the world. They're still capitalistic societies though....

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07-16-2017, 04:49 PM
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(07-16-2017 12:26 PM)Alexa Wrote:  Sweden is a socialist country though. In fact it's one of the most socialist countries in the world. And most people who are for socialism (including myself) advocate for such a style.

Socialism means that the means of production are owned by the government or the workers. In Sweden 90% of resources and companies are privately owned. The government owns about 5% and the other 5% are cooperatives. Ref Sweden is a capitalist financed welfare state, not a socialist state.

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07-17-2017, 05:54 PM
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II, I've finally heard this song for the first time now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6727qgmRbY

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07-17-2017, 07:51 PM
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(07-17-2017 05:54 PM)IMtM Wrote:  II, I've finally heard this song for the first time now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6727qgmRbY

Long version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbuC9hX2XAk

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