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Is Christ the Angel of God's Presence?
07-12-2017, 06:23 PM
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Is Christ the Angel of God's Presence?
How would you answer this question? Are there any scriptures that point to Jesus Christ being the Angel of God's Presence?
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07-12-2017, 09:56 PM
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RE: Is Christ the Angel of God's Presence?
(07-12-2017 06:23 PM)Brother Rando Wrote:  How would you answer this question? Are there any scriptures that point to Jesus Christ being the Angel of God's Presence?

The Angel of the Presence appears to be the same as the Angel of the Lord, referenced a number of times in the OT. This being appears usually in the form of a man and speaks with the authority of God. How closely this being is identified with God varies. In Zechariah, the Lord and the Angel of the Lord have a conversation. In Exodus, the Angel of the Lord is within the burning bush but then it is the Lord himself who speaks to Moses from the bush.

Philo of Alexandria attempted to reconcile Jewish scripture with Middle Platonic philosophy. The Platonic god was remote from the world with creation being managed by a demiurge. Philo spoke of the Logos, the Word of God, also called the Son of God, as this intermediary and he connected this with the Angel of the Lord. The Son of God was God but also was somehow separate from God. Philo even called him the first angel.

Paul borrowed the terminology and general idea of Philo in calling Jesus the Son of God, if not the whole philosophy. For example, Philo would never imagine his Son of God living as a human being and getting killed.

Nowhere in the NT is Jesus specifically connected with the Angel of the Lord but the general notion might be inferred from Paul importing the ideas from Philo. Angel of the Lord => Philo’s Son of God => Jesus as Son of God.

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07-13-2017, 09:15 PM
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RE: Is Christ the Angel of God's Presence?
(07-12-2017 09:56 PM)Imprecise Interrupt Wrote:  
(07-12-2017 06:23 PM)Brother Rando Wrote:  How would you answer this question? Are there any scriptures that point to Jesus Christ being the Angel of God's Presence?

The Angel of the Presence appears to be the same as the Angel of the Lord, referenced a number of times in the OT. This being appears usually in the form of a man and speaks with the authority of God. How closely this being is identified with God varies. In Zechariah, the Lord and the Angel of the Lord have a conversation. In Exodus, the Angel of the Lord is within the burning bush but then it is the Lord himself who speaks to Moses from the bush.

Philo of Alexandria attempted to reconcile Jewish scripture with Middle Platonic philosophy. The Platonic god was remote from the world with creation being managed by a demiurge. Philo spoke of the Logos, the Word of God, also called the Son of God, as this intermediary and he connected this with the Angel of the Lord. The Son of God was God but also was somehow separate from God. Philo even called him the first angel.

Paul borrowed the terminology and general idea of Philo in calling Jesus the Son of God, if not the whole philosophy. For example, Philo would never imagine his Son of God living as a human being and getting killed.

Nowhere in the NT is Jesus specifically connected with the Angel of the Lord but the general notion might be inferred from Paul importing the ideas from Philo. Angel of the Lord => Philo’s Son of God => Jesus as Son of God.

Nice answer... even though you didn't use any scriptures, you're on point. Angel of the Covenant, Angel of Wisdom is another but I was hoping you could pinpoint a scripture.
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