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Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
09-14-2009, 08:35 AM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2009 08:36 AM by moslemman.)
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Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
Some people ask: Why the swines are not breeded in a clean and healthy environment? Why is there no adoption of detecting means in order to discover the diseased meat and to destroy it? If the said proposal is applicable in certain place & circumstances, is it possible to apply it in all circumstances? Is it better to avoid the risks and fatal habits or not? Perhaps the fact is that all these means were not effective in any place or at any time.

The proof comes from USA (6) where the level of living standard is high, as we know. As we see while the most poor Islamic country had escaped this evil but in USA there are infections which are thrice as much as of the whole world swines infections of parasites. Bearing in mind that the statistics are not accurate because the diseases are not clinically diagnosed except when they are severe and most cases are not diagnosed except after the death. In the west heavy procedures and expensive attempt take place in order to protect the swines and their eaters from the Trichinella Spiralis worms and else.

In USA where more than one million & half swine are wholly or partially breeded on the carbage feeding, laws were issued to state that the carbage should be exposed to hot vapour for half an hour before being given to the swines. But what are the results of these big efforts?

Statistics have estimated that around 5% of Boston & 18.5% of Mitchigan

slaughtered animals are infected by this disease ( Welcocas & Matson Bar)

On the other hand, the treatment of the meat with the radiant Cobalt and Sezium may result in causing sterility to the worms, a matter that prevents its growth. But this measure is a sensitive one and it is not easy to be applied.

The fast freezing by cooling and the long storage in very low temperature degrees kills the microscopic parasites.

The health instructions in USA states that the swine meat which are eaten without cooking should be stored for 20 full days in a temperature degree of 15 blow zero. Since the meat boiling kills the parasites, the boiling of meat is recommended for a period commensurates with its quantity. Despite the mentioned hard efforts & high expenses still the statistics refer to the high rates of infections.

Is it easy or not as common sense to avoid the swine meat in principle? Do the concerned persons forget that their work took long centuries in order to discover a number of infections resulting from eating the swine meat & who would confirm that no other diseases remained without being discovered by the science? Does the Islamic Sharia, which came to us ten centuries before the human sciences, deserve or not deserve our trust to give us the final word in respect of what is the Halal & Haram? ( allowable and not allowable )
the full subject of The forbiddance Of The Swine : http://www.55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?o...&Itemid=92
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09-14-2009, 09:39 AM
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RE: Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
(09-14-2009 08:35 AM)moslemman Wrote:  The proof comes from USA where the level of living standard is high, as we know. As we see while the most poor Islamic country had escaped this evil but in USA there are infections which are thrice as much as of the whole world swines infections of parasites.

Not so.

Quote:Is trichinellosis common in the United States?

Infection was once very common and usually caused by ingestion of undercooked pork. However, infection is now relatively rare. During 1997-2001,an average of 12 cases per year were reported. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw-meat garbage to hogs, commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork products. Cases are less commonly associated with pork products and more often associated with eating raw or undercooked wild game meats.

http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/DPD/PARASITES/...inosis.htm

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Trichinosis in China


- 4,033 cases (73 fatal) were reported during 1964 to 1979; 5,558 in 1983; 15,599 (141 fatal) during 1980 to 1989; 5,529 (26 fatal) during 1990 to 2002. [Note: that comes to 787 cases a year.]

94.3% of outbreaks among humans are caused by consumption of raw or undercooked pork.

http://www.gideononline.com/blog/2009/03...-in-china/

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Although rare in countries with laws limiting the feeding of raw garbage or animal byproducts to commercially raised pigs and well-managed slaughterhouse surveillance systems, many countries have passed laws but fallen short on the implementation and quality assurance of the programs. The cost of surveillance programs can be high and complex to install because of education and cultural issues. An international commission with representation from more than 40 countries has developed a set of guidelines and holds quadrennial scientific and policy meetings.

Home raising of pigs, with feeding of raw garbage instead of grain, is still a common practice in a large part of the world at all levels of development. In many countries, pigs roam freely, leading to contact with sylvatic sources of infection. Celebration of the Thai New Year has been associated with 200-600 cases in a single year. Group tourist travel has also been associated with cluster outbreaks. In several Southeast Asian countries, raw pork sausage and other dishes are considered delicacies and are regularly associated with outbreaks.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/787591-overview

I am not arguing against the potential dangers of pork. I am pointing out that these dangers have not stopped the breeding and consumption of pigs in places that are at much greater risk than the Middle East. The ban on not merely consuming pork but allowing the presence of pigs in that area but, and the absence of such a ban arising in others areas, is more likely related to the problem of having pigs compete with humans for scarce resources.
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09-15-2009, 08:11 AM (This post was last modified: 09-15-2009 08:31 AM by moslemman.)
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RE: Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
(09-14-2009 09:39 AM)Parousia Wrote:  
(09-14-2009 08:35 AM)moslemman Wrote:  The proof comes from USA where the level of living standard is high, as we know. As we see while the most poor Islamic country had escaped this evil but in USA there are infections which are thrice as much as of the whole world swines infections of parasites.

Not so.
Quote:no that is right sure and here the article speak about all the diseases not
trichinellosis only
2 - you cut part of the sentence :- Bearing in mind that the statistics are not accurate because the diseases are not clinically diagnosed except when they are severe and most cases are not diagnosed except after the death. In the west heavy procedures and expensive attempt take place in order to protect the swines and their eaters from the Trichinella Spiralis worms and else.



Quote:Is trichinellosis common in the United States?

Infection was once very common and usually caused by ingestion of undercooked pork. However, infection is now relatively rare. During 1997-2001,an average of 12 cases per year were reported. The number of cases has decreased because of legislation prohibiting the feeding of raw-meat garbage to hogs, commercial and home freezing of pork, and the public awareness of the danger of eating raw or undercooked pork products. Cases are less commonly associated with pork products and more often associated with eating raw or undercooked wild game meats.

http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/DPD/PARASITES/...inosis.htm

**

Trichinosis in China


- 4,033 cases (73 fatal) were reported during 1964 to 1979; 5,558 in 1983; 15,599 (141 fatal) during 1980 to 1989; 5,529 (26 fatal) during 1990 to 2002. [Note: that comes to 787 cases a year.]

94.3% of outbreaks among humans are caused by consumption of raw or undercooked pork.

http://www.gideononline.com/blog/2009/03...-in-china/

***

Although rare in countries with laws limiting the feeding of raw garbage or animal byproducts to commercially raised pigs and well-managed slaughterhouse surveillance systems, many countries have passed laws but fallen short on the implementation and quality assurance of the programs. The cost of surveillance programs can be high and complex to install because of education and cultural issues. An international commission with representation from more than 40 countries has developed a set of guidelines and holds quadrennial scientific and policy meetings.

Home raising of pigs, with feeding of raw garbage instead of grain, is still a common practice in a large part of the world at all levels of development. In many countries, pigs roam freely, leading to contact with sylvatic sources of infection. Celebration of the Thai New Year has been associated with 200-600 cases in a single year. Group tourist travel has also been associated with cluster outbreaks. In several Southeast Asian countries, raw pork sausage and other dishes are considered delicacies and are regularly associated with outbreaks.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/787591-overview

I am not arguing against the potential dangers of pork. I am pointing out that these dangers have not stopped the breeding and consumption of pigs in places that are at much greater risk than the Middle East. The ban on not merely consuming pork but allowing the presence of pigs in that area but, and the absence of such a ban arising in others areas, is more likely related to the problem of having pigs compete with humans for scarce resources.

my original article was about the miracle in the forbiddance of the swine meat and the article or even if your source prove the danger of its meat for one reason
so what about other dangers !
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09-15-2009, 08:49 AM
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RE: Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
(09-15-2009 08:11 AM)moslemman Wrote:  my original article was about the miracle in the forbiddance of the swine meat and the article or even if your source prove the danger of its meat for one reason
so what about other dangers !

There ARE dangers to pork. I never denied that. The parasites, including trichinosis (aka trichinellosis) can be dealt with by proper techniques of raising them and proper cooking. The other dangers result mainly from fat. But the days of breeding the fattest pigs, giving them high fat-producing feed, leaving all the fat on that pork chop or whatever, and frying it in butter are mostly over. Today's very different kind of pork is being advertised as "the other white meat" to a more health conscious public.

But again the dangers are much greater in parts of the world where pork is eaten by the wheelbarrow-full Big Grin and many things are made from pig leather. Still it is where the danger is least that there is a total religious ban on pigs. That is what I was explaining.
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09-15-2009, 05:16 PM
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RE: Is it possible to avoid the diseases, which communicate by the swines?
(09-15-2009 08:49 AM)Parousia Wrote:  
(09-15-2009 08:11 AM)moslemman Wrote:  my original article was about the miracle in the forbiddance of the swine meat and the article or even if your source prove the danger of its meat for one reason
so what about other dangers !

There ARE dangers to pork. I never denied that. The parasites, including trichinosis (aka trichinellosis) can be dealt with by proper techniques of raising them and proper cooking. The other dangers result mainly from fat. But the days of breeding the fattest pigs, giving them high fat-producing feed, leaving all the fat on that pork chop or whatever, and frying it in butter are mostly over. Today's very different kind of pork is being advertised as "the other white meat" to a more health conscious public.

that is not right - proper techniques of raising them and proper cooking are not very useful and the article prove that if you read it

But again the dangers are much greater in parts of the world where pork is eaten by the wheelbarrow-full Big Grin and many things are made from pig leather. Still it is where the danger is least that there is a total religious ban on pigs. That is what I was explaining.
no big difference if it is here or there - if so prove it scientific

you may read this
On the other hand, the treatment of the meat with the radiant Cobalt and Sezium may result in causing sterility to the worms, a matter that prevents its growth. But this measure is a sensitive one and it is not easy to be applied.

The fast freezing by cooling and the long storage in very low temperature degrees kills the microscopic parasites.

The health instructions in USA states that the swine meat which are eaten without cooking should be stored for 20 full days in a temperature degree of 15 blow zero. Since the meat boiling kills the parasites, the boiling of meat is recommended for a period commensurates with its quantity. Despite the mentioned hard efforts & high expenses still the statistics refer to the high rates of infections.

Is it easy or not as common sense to avoid the swine meat in principle? Do the concerned persons forget that their work took long centuries in order to discover a number of infections resulting from eating the swine meat & who would confirm that no other diseases remained without being discovered by the science? Does the Islamic Sharia, which came to us ten centuries before the human sciences, deserve or not deserve our trust to give us the final word in respect of what is the Halal & Haram? ( allowable and not allowable )
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09-15-2009, 05:24 PM
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(09-15-2009 05:16 PM)moslemman Wrote:  Is it easy or not as common sense to avoid the swine meat in principle? Do the concerned persons forget that their work took long centuries in order to discover a number of infections resulting from eating the swine meat & who would confirm that no other diseases remained without being discovered by the science? Does the Islamic Sharia, which came to us ten centuries before the human sciences, deserve or not deserve our trust to give us the final word in respect of what is the Halal & Haram? ( allowable and not allowable )

Eat what you want. Don't eat what you don't want. It does not have to make sense to anyone else. It's your body. You get the final say on what goes into it.
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09-16-2009, 10:49 AM
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moslems should follow the religion
thanks
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