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Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
03-09-2017, 11:27 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2017 11:33 AM by Yefet.)
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Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
I have often wondered how many Muslim sects view honor killing as an honor, is it really an honor?
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03-09-2017, 11:32 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2017 11:34 AM by Yefet.)
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Moved thread to GR, Please remember there is no argument against in ROW
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03-09-2017, 11:36 AM
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(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)Yefet Wrote:  Moved thread to GR, Please remember there is no argument against in ROW
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not looking for a fight, looking for an answer, is that so bad, I thought this was about getting answers for questions on religion?
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03-09-2017, 11:47 AM
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
No, honor killing is not a honorable.
Hope that answers your question

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03-09-2017, 11:50 AM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2017 11:50 AM by Caesar Saladin.)
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'Honor killings' are not a part of Islam at all, although some Muslims do commit them. It's just murder, plain and simple, with no religious justification whatsoever.

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03-09-2017, 05:42 PM
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
Quote:Honor killings' are not a part of Islam at all, although some Muslims do commit them. It's just murder, plain and simple, with no religious justification whatsoever.

then why do over 40% of 'moderate' Muslims support killing innocents in the name of defending Islam? why do 70% of Muslims in Muslim majority countries support Honour killings?

you say it has no religious justification, it ONLY has religious justification, no man in his right mind would kill his own daughter because she was raped, unless he had some crazy ideological ideas in his head (please note im NOT saying that Islam teaches this explicitly, only that it is religious thinking that causes it)

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03-09-2017, 06:35 PM
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
(03-09-2017 05:42 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  
Quote:Honor killings' are not a part of Islam at all, although some Muslims do commit them. It's just murder, plain and simple, with no religious justification whatsoever.

(1)then why do over 40% of 'moderate' Muslims support killing innocents in the name of defending Islam? (2)why do 70% of Muslims in Muslim majority countries support Honour killings?

you say it has no religious justification, it ONLY has religious justification, no man in his right mind would kill his own daughter because she was raped, unless he had some crazy ideological ideas in his head (please note im NOT saying that Islam teaches this explicitly, only that it is religious thinking that causes it)

'Honor killing' is a cultural phenomenon, not a religious teaching.

(1) Killing innocents in the name of defending Islam is not defending Islam- it is simply murder.

(2) Honor killing is a cultural issue, not a religious teaching or requirement. Why do 70% (or more) of Christians in the South support drinking sweet iced tea? It's a cultural thing, no religion required.

According to our favorite scholarly reference, Wikipedia, on 'honor killings' and Muslims:

"Killing one's wife or sister for tarnishing her honor or that of her family has not received approval from any Islamic scholar of any note, in either medieval or modern era. Many Muslim commentators, and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice. Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, says that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings. Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings. Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that the punishment of any crime is reserved for the Islamic ruler only. Ali Gomaa, Egypt's ex-Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings."

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03-09-2017, 07:19 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2017 07:20 PM by PeterPants.)
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
I guess its just a complete coincidence that almost every single honer killing has been done in a religious context.. and the vast majority by Muslims. What is 'supported' by

find me a single atheist who has committed an honer killing and then we can maybe talk seriously about this.

Quote:(2) Honor killing is a cultural issue, not a religious teaching or requirement. Why do 70% (or more) of Christians in the South support drinking sweet iced tea? It's a cultural thing, no religion required.
but the same percentage of NON Christians in that are like drinking iced tea (presumable) and yet VASTLY disproportionate numbers of honer killings in mixed religion contries are still performed by Muslims, you say its a 'cultural issue' not a 'religious issue' well... religion IS culture..

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03-09-2017, 07:23 PM
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
PeterPants Wrote:no man in his right mind would kill his own daughter because she was raped, unless he had some crazy ideological ideas in his head

Actually "honor" matters a lot more in Asia than you'd expect...I'm aware that honor killings occur among Sikhs and Hindus just as they do with Muslims, and when not honor killings, there's still a social/cultural sense that the family has been shamed, and some parents take action such as disowning or hiding. It's a similar view of "honor" that causes some Japanese families to hide their introverted children in their own homes permanently, which might not be how a Westerner family behaves. There's a sense of protecting honor in all of Asia that is just foreign to us in the West. Sometimes it causes behaviors we find erratic or even immoral. Has little to do with Islam itself though...

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03-09-2017, 07:30 PM
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RE: Islam (Muslim) Honor killings -- should it be honored?
i dont see how that goes against what i said...
indeed, japan and India have long and strong histories of ideology as well.

i never said at all that Islam was the only source of idiological stupidity...

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