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Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible
07-30-2011, 02:09 PM
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Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible
Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differ...ible5.html
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07-30-2011, 06:56 PM (This post was last modified: 07-30-2011 07:23 PM by Al Mansour.)
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RE: Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible
(07-30-2011 02:09 PM)PetriFB Wrote:  Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

I am afraid the thread writer mean these verses:

"And ( remember ) when Moses said unto his people : O my people ! Remember Allah's favor unto you , how He placed among you Prophets , and He made you Kings , and gave you that ( which ) He gave not to any ( other ) of ( His ) creatures (20) O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah hath ordained for you . Turn not in flight , for surely ye turn back as losers (21) They said : O Moses! Lo! a giant people ( dwell ) therein , and lo! we go not in till they go forth from thence . When they go forth , then we will enter ( not till then ) (22) Then outspake two of those who feared ( their Lord , men ) unto whom Allah had been gracious : Enter in upon them by the gate , for if ye enter by it , lo! ye will be victorious . So put your trust ( in Allah ) if ye are indeed believers (23) They said : O Moses! We will never enter ( the land ) while they are in it . So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here (24) He said : My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother , so distinguish between us and the wrongdoing folk (25) ( Their Lord ) said : For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will . wander in the earth , bewildered . So grieve not over the wrongdoing folk" Quran 5:20-26

And then the forbidden was forever when they tried to kill their last chance [The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary (pbut)].

(07-30-2011 02:09 PM)PetriFB Wrote:  The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel.

Tell us about it. Big Grin


(07-30-2011 02:09 PM)PetriFB Wrote:  The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them.

The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the west stop their support for Jews because the Bible prophecies are saying that Israel nation is great nation, so let us see if they are really can live without the west support as the Bible say.


(07-30-2011 02:09 PM)PetriFB Wrote:  Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to.

What a happy life!
First you must go to Jews and ask them to believe in Jesus because Muslims already believe in him as a messenger of the God and believe in his virgin birth. But read the Talmud to see what is the Jews' views about him and in his mother, the virgin Mary.

"They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse" Quran 9:32
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07-31-2011, 08:35 AM
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Interesting, the quran only tells half the story. The story of the rebels but leaves out the successes of the Israelites. Numbers 14 is the parrallel story in the bible of the Quran story.



http://niv.scripturetext.com/numbers/14.htm
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07-31-2011, 09:50 AM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2011 10:28 AM by Al Mansour.)
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(07-31-2011 08:35 AM)Edward Wrote:  Interesting, the quran only tells half the story. The story of the rebels but leaves out the successes of the Israelites. Numbers 14 is the parrallel story in the bible of the Quran story.

No Edward, it's not the point. This was not about the story, I posted what they just cut and show the false Idea.
If about the story, the Quran contain the stories of the "children of Israel".

"They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse" Quran 9:32
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07-31-2011, 10:42 AM
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Well yeah, based on what I see the Quran does not say the land belongs to Israel. The Quran says the israelites did not enter the promised land? They were to afraid and therfore did not inherit the land.

But the bible has both the story of those who didn't have faith, And also Caleb who did have faith. And the Israelites did enter the promised land. And the Historical record shows they did. Moslems want to memory hole Jewish history?, deny they ever entered their land. Deny Solomans temple, or the second temple of Herod?

http://niv.scripturetext.com/numbers/14.htm
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07-31-2011, 10:44 AM
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RE: Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible
(07-31-2011 10:42 AM)Edward Wrote:  Well yeah, based on what I see the Quran does not say the land belongs to Israel. The Quran says the israelites did not enter the promised land? They were to afraid and therfore did not inherit the land.

But the bible has both the story of those who didn't have faith, And also Caleb who did have faith. And the Israelites did enter the promised land. And the Historical record shows they did. Moslems want to memory hole Jewish history?, deny they ever entered their land. Deny Solomans temple, or the second temple of Herod?

http://niv.scripturetext.com/numbers/14.htm

Perhaps a reference for the "historical record".

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07-31-2011, 11:19 AM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2011 11:21 AM by Edward.)
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I see your point, there's not a whole lot of physical proof they did.
But what proof is there of Moses either? The Quran has a selective memory of Judaism.
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07-31-2011, 11:47 AM
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RE: Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible
(07-31-2011 10:42 AM)Edward Wrote:  Well yeah, based on what I see the Quran does not say the land belongs to Israel. The Quran says the israelites did not enter the promised land? They were to afraid and therfore did not inherit the land.

But the bible has both the story of those who didn't have faith, And also Caleb who did have faith. And the Israelites did enter the promised land. And the Historical record shows they did. Moslems want to memory hole Jewish history?, deny they ever entered their land. Deny Solomans temple, or the second temple of Herod?

You mean the Quran denied they enter the land of Palestine? no of course, that was only punishment for 40 years only.
They entered the land of course after that.

The last chance was when the Messiah, Jesus came to them but they disbelieved in him and tried to kill him, then the punishment taken it's effect to the day of Resurrection. And they still wait for the (Messiah).

"Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allah, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the Prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allah) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allahs disobedience, crimes and sins)." Quran 3:112

"They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse" Quran 9:32
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07-31-2011, 12:11 PM
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Ugh, the problem with this is that it is not a conflict between Judaism and Islam, but between the free secular Western culture of Israel, and the Islamic sharia law theocracies that surround Israel.
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07-31-2011, 12:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-31-2011 12:15 PM by Edward.)
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Al Mansour Wrote:You mean the Quran denied they enter the land of Palestine? no of course, that was only punishment for 40 years only.
They entered the land of course after that.

The last chance was when the Messiah, Jesus came to them but they disbelieved in him and tried to kill him, then the punishment taken it's effect to the day of Resurrection. And they still wait for the (Messiah).

Similar to the bibles account. Except in the bible they were in the wilderness 40 years before the incident you quoted. Preparing, learning new laws and customs and new feast days, making things such as the ark of the covenant, and doing other things God told them to do. Weeding out the rebels.

The Quran says they only tried to kill Jesus?

The bible has a similar explanation that God put a strong delusion on them. What you called a bewilderment. So they don't recognize Jesus the Messiah. But the bible seems to say they will come out of their delusion near the end, after the rest of the world has given up on Jesus.
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