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Miracles of Kuran, between admiting and denying
04-11-2009, 09:07 AM (This post was last modified: 04-11-2009 09:17 AM by arabhamid.)
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Miracles of Kuran, between admiting and denying
The Quran present a Miracle in this world, and its verses with the Miracles inside are an answer for all people who deny this Religion.

We know that every massenger of God, had a miracle, to show and convince people that he was a masseger of God, and the Quran is a miracle, by its words and meaning and information and Miracles.

Nowadays, and day after day, the would find out that the miracles mentioned in the Quran are true, and the scientists proved that.

some of the Scietists converted to Islam after finding out that what they discovered was mentioned in the Quran from 1400 years ago.

Lets have a look for some of those Miracles, but they're only examples, and they're not all the miracles, and lets know your opinion about them :


1- THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY

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It is stressed in the Qur'an that the Sun and Moon follow specific trajectories:

It is He Who created night and day and the sun and moon, each one swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 21:33)

The word "swim" in the above verse is expressed in Arabic by the word "sabaha" and is used to describe the movement of the Sun in space. The word means that the Sun does not move randomly through space but that it rotates around its axis and follows a course as it does so. The fact that the Sun is not fixed in position but rather follows a specific trajectory is also stated in another verse:

And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Qur'an, 36:38)

These facts set out in the Qur'an were only discovered by means of astronomical advances in our own time. According to astronomers' calculations, the Sun moves along a path known as the Solar Apex in the path of the star Vega at an incredible speed of 720,000 kmph. In rough terms, this shows that the Sun traverses some 17.28 million km a day. As well as the Sun itself, all the planets and satellites within its gravitational field also travel the same distance.


2- THE EARTH’S GRAVITATIONAL FORCE

Did we not make the earth a receptacle? (Surat al-Mursalat, 25)

The Arabic word “kifatan,” translated as “receptacle” in the above verse, means “living things being gathered together and protected in their dwellings, places where living or inanimate things are gathered together; on which things are piled; place where things are collected.” “Kifatan” comes from root word “kafata,” which means “to collect, gather toward one, close embrace.”

3-THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED


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[I swear] by the fig and the olive. (Qur'an, 95:1)

The reference to the fig in the first verse of Surat at-Tin is a most wise one in terms of the benefits imparted by this fruit.


4-PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH

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He has only forbidden you carrion, blood and pork and what has been consecrated to other than Allah. But anyone who is forced to eat it-without desiring it or going to excess in it-commits no crime. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an, 2:173)

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04-13-2009, 11:20 AM
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I apologize, I've never done this before, but I'm just going to copy-and-paste some of my previous responses to "the scientifically accurate Quran" as presented on the Atheist list, because I don't want to have to go look up the references again.

7:124 and 20:71 which has Crucifixion in Egypt, an empire that didn't use crucifixion (a Roman punishment).

Or 13:2, 21:33, 35:13, 36:40, and others, which note that the sun orbits the earth.

Or 13:3, 15:19, 50:7, and others which suggest the earth is flat.

Or 18:86 and 90, which suggest the sun physically rises and sets from particular locations on the earth.

Or 24:45, which says Allah didn't create any creatures with more than four legs.

Or 27:61 which suggests the Earth does not move, but is fixed in place.

Or 54:1 which has Muhammed splitting the Moon in twain (much like Piccolo in Dragonball Z. Muhammed - the anime prophet)

More anime fun in 67:5 - the stars are actually missiles aimed at devils!

Or 86:5-7, which suggests humans are made from a gushing fluid that comes from the loins (true) and between the ribs (not true).
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04-13-2009, 06:50 PM
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It is all part of the same thing. The word we use to explain most things today is called science.
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04-14-2009, 04:30 AM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2009 04:41 AM by sesame.)
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GT, u use the ignorance of ppl to say that.....ok....every line u wrote, u will see the ansewr with urself first....ok

THE SUN ALSO MOVES ALONG-----------------------------------------------------------

38- "And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower."
Ya-Seen, (36-38)

For a long time in the past men thought that the earth was stationary and that the sun revolved around the earth. Later Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo postulated the theory that the sun was stationary and that the earth revolved about the sun. It was even later, thanks to sophisticated telescopes and the accumulation of cosmological data, that it was concluded that the sun was moving as well and the earth revolved about the sun in motion. Despite the fact that it took science this long, this motion of the sun had already been told 1400 years ago in the Quran. Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura Ya-Seen stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion.

THE METHOD OF THE QURAN AND THE METHOD OF SCIENCE
A book of science purports to demonstrate the theses it advances and the points of reference. The Quran is the message from the Creator of the Universe and describes the Universe in the word of its Creator, in a style different from that of a book on science. The fact that basic statements about the universe in the Quran were destined to come to light after the lapse of more than a millennium, that none of its statements referring to various scientific issues contained errors, shows that the Quran is the book of the Creator of the Universe. Unlike a scientific treatise that tries to find answers to such inquiries into the whys, wherefores and hows and seeks corroborative proofs to theories advanced, the Quran makes final statements. The scientific method has to follow a well-known path before it formulates the postulates toward which the Quran draws a beeline.

We see that the methodological ways of science differ from the direct communications of the Quran. Regardless of statements made, science must follow its own path consisting of stages. This is a consequence of the structure of scientific knowledge. As a matter of fact, the Quran promotes scientific research both upon the earth and in space. On the other hand, I am not trying to create a contest between science and the Quran by juxtaposing the Quranic statements and the secular scientific conclusions. What I have been trying to do is to draw attention to the fact that the straightforward statements made in the Quran tally with the conclusions of science arrived at by following predetermined stages of research, thus proving the realization of what has been predicted in the Quran. The Quran’s origin is the Creator, who is the Knower of Everything. The information directly communicated by the Quran was inaccessible through scientific methods which would have recourse to the accumulation of data, formulas, observations and technical findings. The Creator of both the universe and the rules governing it had already communicated the findings of science in the Quran.
THE SPEED OF THE SUN
The sun moves at a speed of 700,000 km/h in the direction of the star Vega, following its orbital path referred to as the Solar Apex. The Earth rotates around its own axis while revolving about the sun, moving along with the Solar System.

The sun rises every morning and sets every night. However, the points where it rises and sets are never the same. The earth travels around the sun, which moves in the universe without ever passing through the same point. To imagine that in the course of time elapsed from the time at which we started reading our book until now that we are reading this very page, the sun, along with our world, have traveled a few million kilometers, and that we have not been adversely affected by this motion in any way whatsoever, may give use a clue of God’s system.

[color]RISING POINTS OF THE SUN[/color]
5- "The Lord of the heavens, and the earth, and all that lies between them, and the Lord of the easts[b]" (places where the sun rise)."
37-Who Stand in Row, 5

Because the earth has a spherical shape, the sun that rises somewhere sets simultaneously somewhere else. Night and day chase each other. Therefore we cannot speak of a given point from which the sun rises, but rather of different points. The hour of dawn is different at every single point of our sphere. Every spot on the earth expects the rise of the sun while it is “rising” at different spots in space. The sun we behold every morning is a giant nuclear reactor. This reactor, generated by the conversion of hydrogen atoms into helium, performs its task marvelously. We continue our journey in space unaware of the immense speed of our source of life toward our predestined point. God’s omnipotence and the Quran’s miracles will unfold to those who take heed, who have an inquiring mind and are truthful in their approach to the Quranic verses.

43- "And such are the parables we set forth for the people, but only those understand them who have knowledge"
29-The Spider, 43 80
DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
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33- "O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot, unless you acquire an authorization".
55-Gracious, 33

The Arabic word for diameter is “kutr” of which the plural is “aktar;” this refers to the fact that the heavens and the earth have a plurality of diameters. The Arabic language has a special plural to express “duality;” the word aktar expresses a magnitude superior to one or two. We must be careful in the case of three-dimensional objects; “diameter” exists only in spheroid figures. In the case of a perfect sphere we cannot speak of a plurality of diameters, for, in a perfect sphere, there can be only one diameter. We observe in the verse the use of the plural, which is remarkable.

This verse is particularly important, as it refers to the geoidal structure of the world. Doubts about the spheroid structure of the world were dispelled by the law of gravitation of Newton (1642-1724). Previously it was believed that men, the living beings and the seas beneath the surface of the earth would have fallen down had the world been a sphere. Isaac Newton’s law of gravitation convinced men that their belief was false. Objections to the sphericity of the world were henceforth withdrawn, although many people still adhered to their former convictions. If you spoke of “diameters” of the earth, Newton would have corrected you saying: “the diameter of the earth.” A sphere can have but one diameter but in the geodesic sphere, which is the actual shape of the world, this is possible.

[color]CONFINES OF SPACE[/color]
The mention in the verse of “the diameters of the heavens” is also significant. Until man took cognizance of the primeval explosion and the
expanding universe, many scientists believed space to be infinite. Space continuously expands and wherever it expands a new and still larger diameter is formed (this was explained in Ch. 1, 2 & 3). As a matter of fact, scientists have likened space to an inflating balloon in accord with the statement of the verse. Measurements taken at various spots in space would give different diametrical results, while even these measurements taken would change every instant. The use of the plural for the diameter of the heavens is of towering importance, since there is more than just one diameter and because the concept of infinite space is refuted.

The equatorial axes and the diameters in between the equatorial axis will be the longest, while the shortest diameter will be in the polar region. Other diameters will range in between. The diameter measured from the level of the poles to the end point of the atmosphere, the one drawn from the equator to the end point of the atmosphere, and the diameters in between differ also.

We should like to draw your attention to a point. In a good many translations of the Quran there are references to the confines of the earth and the heavens, to its periphery and contours and frontiers, and the word “diameters” is skipped. Indeed, the extremities of the diameter of an area give the contour, the limits and the periphery of that area. We draw the attention of translators to this subtle point.
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04-14-2009, 07:45 AM
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What is the point of proving each other wrong?
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04-14-2009, 07:58 AM
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7:124 and 20:71 which has Crucifixion in Egypt, an empire that didn't use crucifixion (a Roman punishment).

Pharoah was the first who punish like this.

Or 13:2, 21:33, 35:13, 36:40, and others, which note that the sun orbits the earth.

Or 13:3, 15:19, 50:7, and others which suggest the earth is flat.


no, you have to understand every one in its context, the second is talking about the ground, and the first is talking about the earth, and the is no contradition wetween them.


Or 18:86 and 90, which suggest the sun physically rises and sets from particular locations on the earth.

I see that you don't understand the meaning here.
here, is talking about the direction of Sun, the sunrise of the sun and the direction.

Or 24:45, which says Allah didn't create any creatures with more than four legs.


here, the Quran talk about the creation of Animals, the God who created them all, some of them have no feet, some two feet and some four feet.

Or 27:61 which suggests the Earth does not move, but is fixed in place.

here, the Quran tell us that people don't feel that the earth is moving, because if it people can feel that, it would dificult to live in, and made rivers, mountains, and talk about the good water and salt one, and made something between them, to don't let them mixed, and the science prooved that.


Or 54:1 which has Muhammed splitting the Moon in twain (much like Piccolo in Dragonball Z. Muhammed - the anime prophet)



that happed true, and will happen in the end of world.
and Naza proved that this happened :

NASA Photos Prove Splitting of the Moon, Prophet Mohammad’s (PBUH) Miracle

The opening verses of the Sura Al-Qamar in the holy Quran talk about the miracle of Shaq-ul-Qamar (the splitting of the moon in two), and new photographs of the moon taken by NASA prove the miracle, said a prominent Islamic scholar.

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Or 86:5-7, which suggests humans are made from a gushing fluid that comes from the loins (true) and between the ribs (not true).
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you didn't get the true meaning


Man created from a drop emitted from between the Back Bone and the Ribs:

The Qur'an mentions in Surah Al-Tariq (chapter no. 86), verses 5-7; (86: 5-7)

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs".

In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the [censored] outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs
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04-14-2009, 08:07 AM
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You will find truth in many text. But will you fight forever?

Or 24:45, which says Allah didn't create any creatures with more than four legs.

What is a spider?
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04-14-2009, 08:36 AM
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(04-14-2009 08:07 AM)George Wrote:  You will find truth in many text. But will you fight forever?

Or 24:45, which says Allah didn't create any creatures with more than four legs.

What is a spider?

do msot people go to a forum to get their arguments? doesn't anyone read the stuff he is referring to?

24:45 And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over all things.


just stating the obvious: when you say "of them there are".... that does mean that we don't have to be stating everything!!!! plus the verse states that God creates what he wills.

here's in example that you can apply to yourself:
when you have bananas, oranges, apples and cucumbers in a bag.
the statement can be: i have fruits in my bag: of them there are some that are yellow; some that are bananas and some that are red.

(did i mention the cucumber? does it make the statement wrong?)
think about it!!!!
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04-14-2009, 08:44 AM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2009 08:45 AM by George.)
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Point taken. Why not just write 'all of them'. Why add the rest. It causes confusion and points for argument.

Your example is good for fruit, but we are not talking about fruit. We are talking about what is written here.

Is 24.45 not a contradiction of terms then?
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04-14-2009, 08:47 AM
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(04-14-2009 08:44 AM)George Wrote:  Point taken. Why not just write 'all of them'. Why add the rest. It causes confusion and points for argument.

Your example is good for fruit, but we are not talking about fruit. We are talking about what is written.

Is 24.45 not a contradiction or terms then?

no not really, there is nothing contradictory about it.
i am glad you see the verse as it is.
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