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Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
07-04-2011, 11:37 AM (This post was last modified: 07-04-2011 06:10 PM by Unknowable.)
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Cool Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
Since Darwin wrote his book, many people have challenged his theory. Now this does not mean these scientsts resorted to supporting creationism. What they realised was, was that Darwins theory of evolution was either completey flawed, wrong, incomplete etc, evolution is not in question to these scientists but the process or mechanism which brought about the evolution is in question - And has actually never been solved!, there is still a huge debate amongst scientists today for example, did evolution occur gradually or by leaps? What are the mechanisms of evolution? Many evolutionists do not agree with eachother!. These scientists have all put forward there own evolutionary theories opposed to Darwin.

NONE of these scientists are creationists, NONE of them are religious in any shape or form. Most are agnostics and atheists. And yes they oppose Darwins theory of evolution!

Pierre- Paul Grasse

Pierre-Paul Grasse a French zoologist has criticised much of Darwin's theory. Grasse instead supported neo-lamarckism. You can read about his views in his book: Evolution of Living Organisms.

Soren Lovtrup

Scientists Soren Lovtrup, has completey shattered many of Darwins claims. Lovtrup put forward the theory of macromutation as opposed to Darwins theory. You can read about Lovtrup's theory in his book Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth.

See his publications:

• Studies on amphibian embryo genesis (Copenhagen, 1953, dissertation)
• Morphogenesis in the amphibian embryo: gastrulation and neurulation, Gothoburgensia Zoologica, 1 (Stockholm, Almqvist and Wiksell 1965)
• Epigenetics : A treatise on theoretical biology (London Wiley 1974)
• The phylogeny of vertebrata (London Wiley 1977)
• Darwinism : The refutation of a myth (London Croom Helm 1987)

Also see:

Richard Goldschmidt - The material basis of evolution. Completey debunks Darwins theory of gradual evolution - and claims evolution has occured in leaps.

Mathematics debunking Darwins theory

Marcel-Paul "Marco" Schützenberger and many other mathematicians have debunked darwins theory based on mathematic calculations. This was published in the book Mathematical Challenges to the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution by Moorhead.

Sir Fred Hoyle also debunked many of Darwins claims in his book Mathematics of Evolution.

Independent Birth of Organisms

Periannan Senapathy a microbiologist and genetics researcher has debunked Darwins claims. According to Dr. Senapathy all organisms on earth arrived from a "primordial soup/s". You can read about his research in his book Independent Birth of Organisms.

An amazing book, Senapathy is opposed to both evolution and creation and claims that every organism on earth came from a primordial soup/s independently!

Richard Milton and other Science Journalists

Three science researchers, Richard Milton, Francis Hitching and Gordon Rattray Taylor (all three of them evolutionists with no religion) have debunked darwins theories.

See:

Richard Milton - Shattering the myths of Darwinism
Francis Hitching - The neck of the Giraffe what Darwin got wrong
Gordon Rattray Taylor - The great evolution mystery

All three of them have offered evidence for neo-lamarckism and other evolutionary theories as opposed to Darwin.

Evolution completey opposed to Darwin

Lev Burg a leading biologist and ichthyologist devoloped his own evolutionary theory completey opposed to Darwins:

Berg called his theory Nomogenesis:

Berg's theory of nomogenesis combined arguments from paleontology, zoology and botany to claim that evolution is not a random process.

Darwin debunked by a Lawyer

Norman Macbeth a lawyer completey debunked Darwins theories in his books:

Darwin Retried and Darwinism: A time for funerals

Scientists against Natural selection?

Scientists have spoken out against natural selection, see:

Beyond Natural Selection - Robert Wesson
Darwin's blind spot: Evolution beyond natural selection - Frank Ryan

According to scientist Lima-de-Faria evolution occurs without any type of natural selection:

See his book Evolution Without Selection.

Also see:

Evolution theory: The Unfinished synthesis by Robert G. B Reid
and his book Biological Emergences.

Both books completey debunk many of the claims of natural selection.

Evolution from space?

Scientists such as Fred Hoyle and N.C. Wickramasinghe have claimed that evolution is driven from space, that genetic novelty is driven due to comets etc landing on earth. See there book Evolution from space. Completey debunks darwins theory.

Biologists against Darwins theory?

Many biologists doubt darwins theory of evolution. One example is Development and evolution: Complexity and change in Biology - by Stanley Salthe who puts forward a completey non-darwinian evolutionary theory.

Non-religious intelligent design?

See David Swift - Evolution Under the microscope. Swift is perhaps one of the only non-religious intelligent design proponents. His book completey debunks macroevolution.

Atheist philosophers challenging Darwins theory?

See What Darwin Got wrong - Jerry Fordor and Piattelli-Palmarini, written by two atheists who have refuted many of Darwins claims.

Darwinism the fairytale

If you want to read about Darwinism the fairytale, see David Stove. Darwinian Fairytales, he has completey debunked Darwinism, David Stove is an agnostic, not religious! And certainly not a creationist!

Lamarck Correct? Darwin wrong!

Modern day research may have proven Lamarcks claims, as opposed to Darwins. Can acquired characteristics be inherited? Scientist Edward Steele says so!

See:

Lamarck's Evolution: Two Centuries of Genius and Jealousy by Ross Honeywill

Lamarck's Signature : How Retrogenes Are Changing Darwin's Natural Selection Paradigm by Edward J. S, Robyn A. Lindley and Robert V. Blanden

Against gradualism

James A. Shapiro (2011) Evolution: A View from the 21st Century is against gradualism, against random mutations, against natural selection as a creative force, against the Central Dogma, for rapid change (HGT, symbiosis, whole genome duplication, hybridization, natural genetic engineering) and for adaptive mutation.

The most recent book of Lynn Margulis (2002) Acquiring Genomes. A Theory of the Origins of Species attacks neo-Darwinism. Margulis is an evolutionist but rejects mutation and natural selection as the mechanism for creating new species. Instead symbiosis (the incorporation of the whole genome of one species by an unrelated species), creates new species.

Complete Non-religious Anti-Darwinism

See the work of the scientist Michael Denton. His book Evolution a theory in Crisis and his book Natures Destiny. Denton is an evolutionist, but a non-Darwinian evolutionist.
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07-04-2011, 01:29 PM
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RE: Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
Evolution is the basis of all modern biology. Those scientists are charlatans. Run along now.
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07-04-2011, 01:51 PM
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(07-04-2011 01:29 PM)rocketboy9000 Wrote:  Evolution is the basis of all modern biology. Those scientists are charlatans. Run along now.

The only Charlatan is you my friend. You do not read peoples posts. The scientists in the list are not challenging evolution, they are challenging the flawed theory of random mutations and natural selection as the main mechanisms for evolution. You obviously are not well read in biology. Run along now.
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07-04-2011, 02:02 PM
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RE: Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
Chi... I did read your post. All of those people are rejecting the basis of the modern evolutionary theory, which is that random mutations, gene duplication, and copying errors lead to various random traits, some of which are selected by fitness. That is the basis for our understanding of how plagues and epidemics occur, how viruses and bacteria adapt to drugs, and how breeding can create new types of plants and animals.
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07-04-2011, 03:05 PM
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RE: Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
(07-04-2011 02:02 PM)rocketboy9000 Wrote:  Chi... I did read your post. All of those people are rejecting the basis of the modern evolutionary theory, which is that random mutations, gene duplication, and copying errors lead to various random traits, some of which are selected by fitness. That is the basis for our understanding of how plagues and epidemics occur, how viruses and bacteria adapt to drugs, and how breeding can create new types of plants and animals.

Rocketboy there is not such thing as a standard modern evolutionary theory.

Neo-darwinism is not longer taken seriously by most scientists. Read some late science journals.

See:

Lawton, Graham. 21 January 2009. Why Darwin was wrong about the tree of life. New Scientist Magazine, issue 2692.

"Now, scientists admit that “the tree-of-life concept…absolutely central to Darwin’s thinking, equal in importance to natural selection…lies in tatters, torn to pieces by an onslaught of negative evidence” (Lawton, 2009, 201[2692]:34, emp. added). On the cover of a recent issue of New Scientist was Darwin’s tree of life, along with the statement “Darwin was Wrong” (2009, 201[2692]). Cover-story author Graham Lawton admitted, “The tree of life, one of the iconic concepts of evolution, has turned out to be a figment of our imagination” (p. 34). Lawton reminded readers of Dr. W. Ford Doolittle’s 1999 claim that “the history of life cannot properly be represented as a tree” (p. 37). Lawton also interviewed evolutionary biologist Eric Bapteste of Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris, who exclaimed, “We have no evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality” (p. 34, emp. added). Though Darwin’s tree of life has been taught as fact for decades, the truth is, “we have no evidence at all” for it. Go figure.

Although Baptiste, Doolittle, and many other evolutionists admit that “the Darwinian tree is no longer an adequate description of how evolution in general works” (p. 39; Was it ever?), they are not willing to give up their theory. Baptiste and Doolittle “stress that downgrading the tree of life doesn’t mean that the theory of evolution is wrong—just that evolution is not as tidy as we would like to believe” (p. 39)."

Evolution is not tidy, the mechanisms of evolution is still a big debate amongst evolutionists. No need to think you have all the answers solved, none of us do.

There are over ten theories to how life started on earth, and there are many evolutionary theories. This stuff will never be solved. We will never know!
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07-04-2011, 03:43 PM
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RE: Non-religious opposition to Darwinism
You mean, a theory that is old, has been researched, rethought, tested, and different conclusions have been made? What are you talking about here? Science or something?

If everyone was thinking the same thing, then no one would be thinking at all.
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07-04-2011, 10:30 PM
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(07-04-2011 03:43 PM)EqualAtheist Wrote:  You mean, a theory that is old, has been researched, rethought, tested, and different conclusions have been made? What are you talking about here? Science or something?

Lol... Who do those scientists think they are anyway, using the scientific method and all. If they are going to put forward an explanation for something, then it must be 100% correct the first time and never change.

I like how Unknowable has stated evolution has been "completely shattered" or "completely debunked" by one person or another. Quite amusing. Have any of these guys won the Templeton Prize yet?

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07-04-2011, 11:38 PM
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The biggest clue for me was the use of the word "Darwinism" in the thread title. That's a dead giveaway of the agenda right there.

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07-04-2011, 11:44 PM
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Yeah that's what I thought as well Merry.

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07-04-2011, 11:45 PM
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Yeah as soon as I saw the title I knew the agenda, although I didn't know why I knew.
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