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Religion WTF
02-04-2010, 02:53 PM
Post: #1
Religion WTF
If God exists what makes any of you PRESUME to know what He thinks, feels,wants, believes, has done, will do or anything about Him.
Anybody who does is surely giving them a status that they surely don't deserve.
If God exists and created everything, it must ipsofacto be presumptious of any of His creations to dare to believe that they KNOW what he even cares about.
Justify your knowledge of what God wants without any reference to some books written apparently at least a millenium ago.
Why does God require your worship. He may as well require the worship of the stars and planets, He created them after all.
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02-04-2010, 03:30 PM
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RE: Religion WTF
(02-04-2010 02:53 PM)minus459 Wrote:  If God exists what makes any of you PRESUME to know what He thinks, feels,wants, believes, has done, will do or anything about Him.
Anybody who does is surely giving them a status that they surely don't deserve.
If God exists and created everything, it must ipsofacto be presumptious of any of His creations to dare to believe that they KNOW what he even cares about.
Justify your knowledge of what God wants without any reference to some books written apparently at least a millenium ago.
Why does God require your worship. He may as well require the worship of the stars and planets, He created them after all.

I don't presume to know what Bon Dieu wants. In Vodou God wants and requires nothing, least of all from us. He doesn't get actively involved in anyone's life.

Vodou doesn't have a book, we don't believe in holy texts, nothing is absolute, every situation has extenuating circumstances, every situation, every life is different, there are no hard and fast rules.

In Vodou, Bon Dieu doesn't require worship.

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02-04-2010, 03:38 PM
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RE: Religion WTF
I would have to search the posts Clementine but I remember one of yours explaining that vodou is almost indistinguishable from catholicism now. How can these disparate points of view be consistent.
If what you say is true then why does Bon Dieu either exist or make "it's" existence known to humans.
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02-04-2010, 03:57 PM
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RE: Religion WTF
(02-04-2010 03:38 PM)minus459 Wrote:  I would have to search the posts Clementine but I remember one of yours explaining that vodou is almost indistinguishable from catholicism now. How can these disparate points of view be consistent.
If what you say is true then why does Bon Dieu either exist or make "it's" existence known to humans.

It's not indistinguishable, it very much is different -- but keep in mind that Haitian Vodou was forced to form around Catholicism. It's doctrines and beliefs are different, but it uses the imagery, the words, the content of Catholicism because that's how it was forced to evolve, like people, Vodou evolves. Which is why Vodun in Benin and Voodoo in New Orleans is so different from Vodou in Haiti -- they evolved along different branches.

Bon Dieu is pandeistic -- he doesn't actively make his its presence known. He is unconcerned, for the most part, with what happens here. He's many other things to do.

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02-04-2010, 04:24 PM
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So if there is a point in believing in him, and apparently you believe there is, and he doesn't care.Why have a religion without a God to worship? Or a God who couldn't care less. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good religion. Religions are for power first. but that is gained by having control, if not the God, then the worship of said God.
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02-04-2010, 04:45 PM
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(02-04-2010 04:24 PM)minus459 Wrote:  So if there is a point in believing in him, and apparently you believe there is, and he doesn't care.Why have a religion without a God to worship? Or a God who couldn't care less. Seems like a waste of a perfectly good religion. Religions are for power first. but that is gained by having control, if not the God, then the worship of said God.

Not in Vodou. Vodou is a religion of freedom, not control. Vodou is a religion that evolved from the powerless. The power in Vodou is that even when it's forbidden, it doesn't disappear, it evolves. There are no offering plates in Vodou, no power given to Mambos and Houngans.

There's a saying that "Vodou is for the oppressed, the downtrodden, the starved -- not the fat and powerful" and it's true. People seek out Vodou, hear the call of the lwa when they're at their lowest -- and most will drift away when their fortunes change.

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02-04-2010, 05:01 PM
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Clementine wrote:
Not in Vodou. Vodou is a religion of freedom, not control. Vodou is a religion that evolved from the powerless. The power in Vodou is that even when it's forbidden, it doesn't disappear, it evolves

As an historian doesn't that sound a lot like the christians in catechombs etc.
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02-04-2010, 05:09 PM
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RE: Religion WTF
(02-04-2010 05:01 PM)minus459 Wrote:  Clementine wrote:
Not in Vodou. Vodou is a religion of freedom, not control. Vodou is a religion that evolved from the powerless. The power in Vodou is that even when it's forbidden, it doesn't disappear, it evolves

As an historian doesn't that sound a lot like the christians in catechombs etc.

And loads of other religions, of course. But most disappear under hardship, few evolve the way Vodou does.

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02-04-2010, 05:13 PM (This post was last modified: 02-04-2010 05:20 PM by minus459.)
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RE: Religion WTF
I think that the Pope would take exception to that. As a cradle catholic I mean
Clementine why do you think it is that only you and I are discussing this, when almost 50 have viewed the post. Is it because they need their books, because without them they have nothing. If you rely on thought it doesn't work?
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02-04-2010, 05:39 PM
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RE: Religion WTF
(02-04-2010 02:53 PM)minus459 Wrote:  If God exists what makes any of you PRESUME to know what He thinks, feels,wants, believes, has done, will do or anything about Him...Justify your knowledge of what God wants without any reference to some books written apparently at least a millenium ago...

Why throw out the history of humankind's interaction with God? Isn't that arbitrary?

But anyway, we have a longing for love and accceptance and eternity. The things that we long for generally do have some referent. For example, we long for food, and food exists; we long for companionship, and such is available. Given this, it more likely than not that our longing for eternity is also available to us.

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