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Satan Plan for humans
07-14-2017, 10:00 AM
Post: #11
RE: Satan Plan for humans
(07-14-2017 09:15 AM)susanblange Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:51 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:25 PM)susanblange Wrote:  Most people are doomed not because they have been deceived, it is because they are wicked sinners. The "guilty" are those that have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent of their sin. The guilty will not be forgiven and enter Heaven. Thru Jesus, Satan is worshipped as God. He is the lawless one. If Satan had written the Bible, there would be no laws regarding morality. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". That is the first and greatest commandment. By worshipping Satan, the entire law is destroyed.

no no... it was written by Satan and so 'thou shalt have no other gods before me' is just saying, have no gods before Satan, the king of lies and deception, of course he would trick you into thinking he is God.

so again, how do you know its god and not Satan tricking you?

I know the Bible was written by God because only God can see into the future and prognosticate. I have seen multitudes of prophecy literally fulfilled.

Yes you have, AND you ended the cold war single handedly.

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07-14-2017, 10:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-14-2017 10:33 AM by Caesar Saladin.)
Post: #12
RE: Satan Plan for humans
Is there any particular reason Satan is waiting to spring his trap on humanity? I mean, if he's all that surely he could have wrapped it up a LONG time ago, right?

I can see Satan hanging out with his various demons and devils chatting about his plan: "We take Pete's car, go round Mum's, go in, kill Philip, grab Mum, go to Liz's, pick her up, go to the Winchester and a have a pint and wait for the wailing and gnashing of teeth from everyone we've just bamboozled into Hell. The world is screwed, we did it, and Bob's your uncle."

When someone asks "What would Jesus do?" remind them that flipping tables and chasing people with a whip is entirely possible.
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07-14-2017, 10:55 AM
Post: #13
RE: Satan Plan for humans
I'm going to get into this conversation -- susanblange is Not representing Scripture correctly at all. Whoever 'she' is -- she and I both grew up in the KJV -- I know what it says and she is misrepresenting it.

Satan is Not related to God in any way. He started out as Lucifer -- was created as were all the angelic beings. He was actually the most beautiful of all of them. He was God's right-hand-man. But Lucifer was not satisfied -- he want to Be God.

Satan is the greatest liar in the world -- the great deceiver. He knows his final home will be in hell -- the lake of fire and brimstone. And his goal is to deceive as many people as possible into thinking that an existence away from God will be paradise -- no more Godly rules / guidelines to follow. That hell is going to be one big party forever.

Also -- for All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

One comment she's saying is sickening -- that through Jesus , satan is worshipped. NOT true. It is through Jesus Christ that we have salvation From satan and what he's going to face.

It Is true that some people Do worship satan -- but certainly NOT through Jesus Christ.

Every person is guilty of Some sin or another -- even one of those little white lies. But "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
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07-14-2017, 11:00 AM
Post: #14
RE: Satan Plan for humans
I believe susanblange is claiming personal revelations and does not trust scriptures at all.

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07-14-2017, 11:02 AM
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RE: Satan Plan for humans
(07-14-2017 09:15 AM)susanblange Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:51 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:25 PM)susanblange Wrote:  Most people are doomed not because they have been deceived, it is because they are wicked sinners. The "guilty" are those that have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent of their sin. The guilty will not be forgiven and enter Heaven. Thru Jesus, Satan is worshipped as God. He is the lawless one. If Satan had written the Bible, there would be no laws regarding morality. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". That is the first and greatest commandment. By worshipping Satan, the entire law is destroyed.

no no... it was written by Satan and so 'thou shalt have no other gods before me' is just saying, have no gods before Satan, the king of lies and deception, of course he would trick you into thinking he is God.

so again, how do you know its god and not Satan tricking you?

I know the Bible was written by God because only God can see into the future and prognosticate. I have seen multitudes of prophecy literally fulfilled.


Susanblange -- and how many times in how many other threads have you stated that you don't believe in the New Testament at all. And your version of the Old Testament isn't correct, either. You seem to think that since you claim to read the KJV that everything you say is true. Your version of what is says is Way off track.
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07-14-2017, 11:15 AM
Post: #16
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Here's what I don't understand about Satan and Hell: If Satan were trying to tempt people away from God, why not offer them a real Paradise BETTER than Heaven™ and come through with it? Why does it have to be fire and punishment and all that- isn't Satan really just in a weenie-wagging contest with God and Man is simply a pawn in the game? Satan doesn't have anything personal against Man; it's all about his strained relationship with God.

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07-14-2017, 02:18 PM
Post: #17
RE: Satan Plan for humans
(07-14-2017 11:15 AM)Caesar Saladin Wrote:  Here's what I don't understand about Satan and Hell: If Satan were trying to tempt people away from God, why not offer them a real Paradise BETTER than Heaven™ and come through with it? Why does it have to be fire and punishment and all that- isn't Satan really just in a weenie-wagging contest with God and Man is simply a pawn in the game? Satan doesn't have anything personal against Man; it's all about his strained relationship with God.


Because ya can't get any better than Paradise in Heaven. And satan knows it. All satan can offer people is the earth and the mess that he and his comrades are creating. And the rest of his life in the lake of fire and brimstone. Satan's 1st lie was to Eve and then Adam followed her -- instead of listening to God. God had already given them a perfect environment. Satan was 'promising' her more and look what happened. Evil enters the world.

Satan's 'strained' relationship with God is somewhat of an understatement. In that strained relationship -- he rebelled and caused a war in heaven and the archangel Michael and the non-rebellious angels kicked him and a bunch of other rebellious angels out and down to earth as a result.
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07-14-2017, 03:02 PM (This post was last modified: 07-14-2017 03:13 PM by Caesar Saladin.)
Post: #18
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Do angels indeed have free will? Can one of the Celestial Choir decide one day he's not gonna sing praises to God and instead go see the LEGO Movie? If there's no place as good as Heaven, surely the angels would know that already and not be fooled by Lucifer!

Okay, so assuming Satan can't match Heaven for its perks, but does have a hand in making things good or bad here on earth- why not make them GREAT? Why not make the world a paradise unto itself? Why mess with it and cause famine and pestilence and incite people to sin and say, 'Hey this is as good as it gets- but yeah turn your back on God even though he's got something a lot better." That's no way to market yourself or your product!

The problem is that the only stories we have about Lucifer/Satan are the ones the Abrahamic religions tell. We don't have a single treatise, manuscript, scroll, or book being authored by Satan. Why not? Again, letting the opposition control the media is a sure-fire way to defeat and disappointment, so why- with all his power- would Satan not put out his own version of things and tell his side of the story? Maybe there's something- or a lot of things- the Church is leaving out that might explain things a bit better? Maybe there's something tucked away in the Vatican's 50+miles of manuscripts and volumes that might help?

Or........ is Satan simply an invention of the Abrahamic religions in order to scare the bejeezus out of people into getting in line with their programs? Is Satan, like Emmanuel Goldstein of 1984, a character completely made up from whole cloth to dupe the masses into conformity?

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07-14-2017, 03:23 PM
Post: #19
RE: Satan Plan for humans
(07-14-2017 10:00 AM)Herminator Wrote:  
(07-14-2017 09:15 AM)susanblange Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:51 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  
(07-13-2017 07:25 PM)susanblange Wrote:  Most people are doomed not because they have been deceived, it is because they are wicked sinners. The "guilty" are those that have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent of their sin. The guilty will not be forgiven and enter Heaven. Thru Jesus, Satan is worshipped as God. He is the lawless one. If Satan had written the Bible, there would be no laws regarding morality. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". That is the first and greatest commandment. By worshipping Satan, the entire law is destroyed.

no no... it was written by Satan and so 'thou shalt have no other gods before me' is just saying, have no gods before Satan, the king of lies and deception, of course he would trick you into thinking he is God.

so again, how do you know its god and not Satan tricking you?

I know the Bible was written by God because only God can see into the future and prognosticate. I have seen multitudes of prophecy literally fulfilled.

Yes you have, AND you ended the cold war single handedly.

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I did end the Cold War. It was the third speech I gave in November, 1983 in my Public Speaking class at Old Dominion University. It fulfilled Zechariah 6:1-8. It was a speech concerning five philosophies of the world. Buddhism (the east), Islam (the south), Christianity (the west), Communism (the north), and Judaism (the center). There were four chariots and five horses, which came out from between two mountains. The horses were "spirits". This means that it came from the heart. I commended Communism/Socialism for its positive attributes, and at the same time I condemned the west for idolatry. Verse 8, "...Behold, these {horses} that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country". The pen is mightier than the sword.
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07-14-2017, 03:26 PM
Post: #20
RE: Satan Plan for humans
Well -- I guess you could say -- " That's satan for ya. "

And, yes, that is true -- all we have have is the story that the Abrahamic religions tell. And those include The Bible, the Quran and the Torah. The Bible and Quran are totally different and the Torah doesn't have Jesus Christ here, yet. But I think they probably believe in the Promised Land. And that includes the controversy between Isaac and Ishmael.

Well --satan's side of the story is the world of demon possession / oppression / witches / worlocks -- and if you go for the series on TV Supernatural.

And the RCC / Vatican are all that reliable?! Hasn't there been something about priests? in the news off and on. And isn't there something about the Reformers -- some of the men who Could read the Latin and realized that extra- Biblical info was being taught to the illiterate people. There are some important things that the RCC teaches that are Not Biblical.

So - ya--maybe someone Should go through those miles of manuscripts and find out what's Really in them.
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