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Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
10-09-2017, 12:07 PM (This post was last modified: 10-09-2017 12:08 PM by LucyHill.)
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Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
Hi everyone,

I'm currently in the middle of studying for an extended project qualification and my topic is whether or no we should follow the burka ban that france has created. I would love to get people's responses and views, and would also like to use your points towards my research, however, I will gain your permission first before I do so. Responses from any faith would be most helpful, but I am especially looking for responses from those within Islamic faith who could give me their view. Thank you!
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10-19-2017, 01:30 PM
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RE: Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
(10-09-2017 12:07 PM)LucyHill Wrote:  Hi everyone,

I'm currently in the middle of studying for an extended project qualification and my topic is whether or no we should follow the burka ban that france has created. I would love to get people's responses and views, and would also like to use your points towards my research, however, I will gain your permission first before I do so. Responses from any faith would be most helpful, but I am especially looking for responses from those within Islamic faith who could give me their view. Thank you!
As a citizen of the USA I say not if it was part of Islamic faith, because interference against the peaceful expression of religious practice is a violation of the 1st ammendment.

As a Christian I also say no, because no matter how we're dressed, God knows who we are.
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11-11-2017, 02:27 PM
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RE: Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
Is it not painfully obvious that G-d programmed us to enjoy the human form through our eyes? Of course modesty is essential in dress, but the beauty of ones face was meant to be seen by all - why else have it? If G-d meant for faces to be covered we would be born with bags on our heads. An adult covering themselves up is simply childish - and as we all know it is not called for in any religion. Start using your heads instead of covering themSmile
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11-11-2017, 05:42 PM
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RE: Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
(10-09-2017 12:07 PM)LucyHill Wrote:  Hi everyone,

I'm currently in the middle of studying for an extended project qualification and my topic is whether or no we should follow the burka ban that france has created. I would love to get people's responses and views, and would also like to use your points towards my research, however, I will gain your permission first before I do so. Responses from any faith would be most helpful, but I am especially looking for responses from those within Islamic faith who could give me their view. Thank you!

I'm wishy washy on this subject and not sure of what is right. One side of me says that people should be free to wear what they want, while another side says that immigrants with traditions like burka wearing should be prepared to integrate with our customs, just as we'd have to integrate with the immeasurably more restrictive customs imposed by the totalitarian Islamic societies they come from if we lived there. I (perhaps unkindly) see the underlying male generated psychology of the burka as an attempt by men enthused by a culturally engendered mania for sexual repression into making women conceal their whole bodies as if they were covering up their genitals - kindalike as if the appearance of the whole female body was designated (by the menfolk of the female burka wearing tradition hosting culture) as indecent. I'd feel a lot better about this aspect if the male members of these cultures also wore bags over their heads, or practiced blinding themselves so as to avoid being sexually aroused by the sight of women.

No doubt you'll also get women who totally enjoy being blotted out from visual existence and will enthuse about how they think their invisibility pleases their religious deity of choice. I'm sure I've read arguments to that effect.

Perhaps an acceptable compromise would be to stipulate that burka wearers should show their faces when they have certain jobs, such as teaching young children when facial communication is important, or when they visit the bank, where facial recognition is important, but otherwise, they should be free to do their live person in body bag schtick if they so wish. I'm not totally sure though. And what if they have a crazed husband who is an avid consumer of internet porn and habitually visits prostitutes but would nonetheless beat the living sh*t out of the missus if she dared to eschew his requirement of her suitably attiring herself in a black and shapeless body bag? Such a circumstance would create a bit of a moral dilemma for respondents to this vexing question methinks.. [Image: thinking.gif]
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11-12-2017, 06:01 AM (This post was last modified: 11-12-2017 06:12 AM by Amememhab.)
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RE: Should we follow France and ban the burka in the UK?
As Journeyman says below, we don’t do blanket clothing bans in the USA:

(10-19-2017 01:30 PM)journeyman Wrote:  As a citizen of the USA I say not if it was part of Islamic faith, because interference against the peaceful expression of religious practice is a violation of the 1st amendment.

Of course, she’ll have to remove the burqa to go inside a bank, federal building or airport. Time and place restrictions on certain activities are constitutional, when public health or safety is involved. Even if such a ban were enacted for secular reasons, I suspect the courts would strike it down on privacy grounds, although I’m not enough of a lawyer to say for sure. Government can’t ban shaving men’s beards, for instance, as the TaliBAN has done!

However, the UK has a different legal regime than we do; you’d have to ask a barrister about this topic if you’re in Bury St. Edmumds. Since LucyHill asked her question Oct. 9, I left a reply only just in case she does check back this late.
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11-12-2017, 06:47 AM
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(11-12-2017 06:01 AM)Amememhab Wrote:  ...
However, the UK has a different legal regime than we do; you’d have to ask a barrister about this topic if you’re in Bury St. Edmumds..

What's this about Bury St Edmunds?

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11-12-2017, 08:37 AM
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Bury St. Edmunds is a town in Suffolk, England. It has a modern Gothic revival cathedral and a little pub. You can Google it for a map and Wikipedia article. Why, you can even fly into London’s Heathrow Airport, rent a car, and take the motorways M11, A120 and A134 from there to Bury St. Edmunds.
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11-12-2017, 10:08 AM
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(11-12-2017 08:37 AM)Amememhab Wrote:  Bury St. Edmunds is a town in Suffolk, England. It has a modern Gothic revival cathedral and a little pub..

Yes .. nice place. I was recently there for a couple of weeks.
We hold our friday prayers in "the Quaker House" at present Smile

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11-12-2017, 03:01 PM
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(11-12-2017 10:08 AM)muhammad_isa Wrote:  I was recently there for a couple of weeks.

Wow, I had no idea you’d been there! I’ve never seen the green fields of Merrie England. It’s so far away from Utah; plane fare and hotel are beyond my modest means.
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