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The Mormon Church
11-21-2008, 03:35 AM
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The Mormon Church
A lot of people try and prove this religion to be wrong yet the followers are stronger and have more faith than any other christian group. Ask yourself if you could give up the two best years of your life (19-21) for a religion that you aren't sure is right. All though the mormon religion may seem foolish to many, it has many teachings and practices that bring peace and comfort to many. The Mormon church helps more people in need than any other group. If I can think of any church that knows what they're doing it is the Mormon church. That is why it is the fastest growing organization in the world. How can one put down another's belief and believe that their own is more legitmate when they are so similar. I can only imagine what the Buddhist preists think of the common American's belief (Christianity). If you are Christian and you believe that every Mormon, Buddhist, Atheist etc. is going to hell that you are greatly mistaken. We've got to agree to disagree, respectively. I believe that there is an omnipotent and omniscient force behind everything. A force that brings balance to everything. The answer is infront of us. This is where science and spirituality are both one in the same. Nature has figured it out, now it is time for us humans too. There's a lot of things that distract us from truth. I think Jack White of White Stripes said it best "truth doesn't make a noise." Go out and find your own truth. One that isn't what your paster gets payed to tell you. One that hasn't been swallowed then coughed up by every other religious figure that thinks that he has it figured it out (no offense to them). Learn to think for yourself and in that way you will find peace. Everybody needs to find their own peace and nobody else can do it for them. Don't ignore ispiration and spiritual moments for they will bring peace. Try to be a little less worldly and a little more spiritual. You might find life to be a little easier and clear. Try and enjoy your life because too many people these days go about their days with a feeling of insignificance and pain because they want or are waiting for something that isn't real. If you could have anything you wanted you'd be miserable. We are suppose to work hard in our lives for the things that we want, learn a lot and in that way we can learn gratification. The reason why Jesus, Buddha, and many other prophets were such great humanitarians and prophets was the lessons they taught and their selflessness. There's a lot to learn from the bible and I believe there are also many things that people translate incorrectly. Maybe hell isn't a place where "bad" people go when they die. Maybe it is just a state of mind that we enter when we forget what is really important. Maybe it is a way for all of us to learn the truth. Maybe heaven and hell exists in everyone of us. Figure out what really makes you happy. For the Mormon religion I know it is family, service and purity. All of these things should be very important for everybody but again we get distracted and let worldly things take over such as selfishness, pride, hate, jealousy, lying etc. All things that the Bible teaches us not to do. Don't read the Bible looking for an answer but for a way to live in harmony and humility. A lot of people believe that the Book of Mormon was made up by Joseph Smith, and maybe it was. But what it teaches and the impact it has had on this world is significantly more positive than negative. In this case I will think of Joseph Smith as a true prophet of the world. So if you can sit at your computers and try to tell everyone else every reason why it can't be "the answer" than maybe you need to think a little more about what would be different if Joseph Smith had never lived or had inspiration to start this religion. Because of what he did many people are happy. And that's what's important. The Mormon church has served so many people through the kindness of their hearts. Not expecting anything in return. I believe Jesus would approve. Stop trying to prove everybody else's religion wrong and start doing the things that Jesus would have wanted you to do. Serve others. Love others. The love you take is equal to the love that you give. Although I do not belong to any religions at the moment I am glad that I was raised in the Mormon religion. My mother and 5 brothers and sisters are all Mormon, one of which is a twin brother that has started going back to church and will be going on his 2 year mission in February. I'm happy for him and I think he will learn a lot and bring happiness and peace to many others in need. Learn to sincerely love your family, friends, and most important, your enemies. For if you can love them you will know humility. I am 18 years old and sometimes I feel that I am the only person around me that knows truth that will bring me peace. Not something that sounds reasonable or more realistic than every other idea, but one that lets me calm down and feel gratitude for everything little stupid thing in my little insignificant life. I encourage you to go out and find your own truth. You might be surprised at how it will change your life. And please stop trying to be the smartest person around because you sound like everybody else, putting down any belief that isn't your own. There is truth to any belief as long as it brings happiness, peace, humility. And please don't turn down the Mormon missionaries everytime they show up at your door. They could teach you something that will change your life if you're willing to listen.
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09-21-2014, 02:28 AM
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RE: The Mormon Church
come together,
Although I appreciate your positive spin on life, I cannot accept the foundations on which it rests. The Mormon religion was founded by a convicted fraud and charlatan (Joseph Smith) and with any religious historical investigation, this will become quite obvious. There is no need to believe in any supernatural "force" to believe we can form solidarity with each other. To presuppose an omnipotent and omniscient being without any sufficient evidence is at best subjective and arbitrary. We do have the aide of science and natural selection to help us understand how this process started and is sustained. The Mormon religion is as baseless as all Christian dogma in that it is based on subjective speculation and is historically invalid. So, from experience, I would suggest you begin to read texts outside of your faith that focus on science and history. People like Thomas Paine, Voltaire, Lucretius, Socrates, and Christopher Hitchens. When you begin to free yourself from bronze and iron aged dogma you begin to be honestly inquisitive.
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09-21-2014, 02:56 AM
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RE: The Mormon Church
That post was written in 2008 - six years ago.
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09-21-2014, 03:25 AM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2014 03:26 AM by shiverleaf15.)
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RE: The Mormon Church
(09-21-2014 02:28 AM)mek Wrote:  come together,
Although I appreciate your positive spin on life, I cannot accept the foundations on which it rests. The Mormon religion was founded by a convicted fraud and charlatan (Joseph Smith) and with any religious historical investigation, this will become quite obvious. There is no need to believe in any supernatural "force" to believe we can form solidarity with each other. To presuppose an omnipotent and omniscient being without any sufficient evidence is at best subjective and arbitrary. We do have the aide of science and natural selection to help us understand how this process started and is sustained. The Mormon religion is as baseless as all Christian dogma in that it is based on subjective speculation and is historically invalid. So, from experience, I would suggest you begin to read texts outside of your faith that focus on science and history. People like Thomas Paine, Voltaire, Lucretius, Socrates, and Christopher Hitchens. When you begin to free yourself from bronze and iron aged dogma you begin to be honestly inquisitive.

The 2008 OP aside:

I heard Jesus was convicted too...by a legal court system and followed with punishment even, they put him on a cross! Your point being, conviction makes you deductively a liar? That's a fallacy! Counter-examples exist to that, known counter-examples. Even inductively, it's not alone that strong of an argument, especially when there's so much more that should be taken into account. Careful how you reason there. I can assure you you're not taking the full picture into account, same goes with how you treat older Christianity, you're not taking the full picture into accunt there either. And thus, I don't know how compassionate you would be, to take into account all other religions' full picture. Until you do, careful how you argue against them.

On the other hand, any person who actually studies all the accounts of the early accusations thrown at Joseph Smith would know that it was made by Josiah Stowell's family because they claimed Joseph was duping Mr. Stowell and of all people, to the surprise of the jury, it was Stowell himself who came up to defend Joseph from the false accusations of his family! And Joseph was thus not convicted at all, but let go.

"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -Justin Martyr
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09-21-2014, 03:51 AM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2014 03:54 AM by livingsacrifice.)
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RE: The Mormon Church
Funny that you mention bronze and Iron thinking as if they are dead philosophical outlooks. Daniel, of the Bible, prophesied of four world rulers before the end. He used "Gold, silver, bronze, and Iron to represent them. Daniel was completely right. As far as Mormonism: The Bible + something else = bad news. And, well something else in terms of religion itself = bad news too.
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09-21-2014, 03:53 AM
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RE: The Mormon Church
The word of the Lord = the word of the Lord. That's all that matters to me! Big Grin

I can't find any verse in the Bible that says God can't add to past records that note what his revealed word in past times has been. I've only found verses that say man can't add, but nothing says God can't. Can you find me such a verse?

"To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty." -Justin Martyr
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09-21-2014, 04:35 AM
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The iron kingdom was supposed to be the Roman Empire. There's been at several world-spanning empires since then: that prophecy is a total fail.
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09-21-2014, 10:46 AM
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RE: The Mormon Church
Further to the comment shiver already made, this thread was created 7 years ago by a poster loooooong gone. mek and everyone, there's nothing wrong with bringing old threads back if you have something you want to add to the topic but please don't try to address posters that won't be answering you.
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