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The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
09-07-2009, 05:52 PM
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The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
Facets of Scientific Inimitability:
It is known that a swine is a filthy animal both in its behavior and in
how it chooses its food. Bearing this in mind, idolaters considered it to be
the killer of the symbols of goodness. Myths from ancient Egypt tell us
that it was a swine that killed Horus. The Cananites even tell us that it was
a swine that killed their god, Adone. The Greeks believe that a swine
killed their god Adonis and Atis. In ancient Egypt, herding swine was
viewed as one of the most degrading jobs. People who had such a job
were not allowed into the temple and were not allowed to marry any
woman except one from their own class. Anyone who touched a pig was
required to have a bath. The People of the Book are prohibited from
eating it, yet they violate this prohibition. Speaking about its prohibition,
the Qur'an declares that it is filth. The word ‘filth’ covers all types of filth
and also explains that consuming it is harmful too. This prohibition is
mentioned in three places in the Qur'an;


1- Almighty Allah says:
{He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood,
and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice
for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., on
which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering).
But if one is forced by necessity without willful disobedience nor
transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful}. (Al-Baqarah: 173)
2- Almighty Allah says:
{He has forbidden you only Al-Maytah (meat of a dead animal),
blood, the flesh of swine, and any animal which is slaughtered as a
sacrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols,
etc. or on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while
slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity, without willful
disobedience, and not transgressing, then, Allah is Oft-Forgiving,
Most Merciful}. (An-Nahl: 115)
3- Almighty Allah says:
{Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and
that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those
animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long
fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal
has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its
death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and
[prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That
is grave disobedience}. (Al-Maa’idah:3)
The prohibition covers all its edible parts, including its fat. The
prohibition of fat for Jews only shows that it is counted as meat, since
Almighty Allah says:


{And unto those who are Jews, We forbade every (animal) with
undivided hoof, and We forbade them the fat of the ox and the
sheep except what adheres to their backs or their entrails, or is
mixed up with a bone. Thus We recompensed them for their
rebellion [committing crimes like murdering the Prophets, eating of
Riba (usury)]. And verily, We are Truthful}. (Al-An`aam: 146)
Prohibiting the meat also makes the fat prohibited even if used as
fodder for an animal that will be later consumed by a person. At the time
of the revelation of the Qur'an, no one ever imagined that such harm
existed.
Who could tell such a thing except Allah; the All-Knowing, the All-
Wise?! Almighty Allah says:
{But your people have denied it while it is the truth. Say, "I am not
over you a manager [i.e., authority]." For every news [i.e.,
happening] is a finality; and you are going to know}. (Al-An’aam:66,
67)
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09-08-2009, 10:38 AM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
That's right. Without modern cooking techniques, pork is filthy and disease-ridden. With modern cooking techniques it's still fatty.

It is also oh-so-good. Mmmm, bacon.

My fundamentalist christian family and I followed kosher-law for a while (real christians don't ignore the old testament.) It was a remarkably healthy time. Nowadays I still tend to eat healthy, though I indulge myself occasionally with pork ribs, and shrimp (which is an abomination to god).

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09-08-2009, 02:49 PM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
(09-07-2009 05:52 PM)moslemman Wrote:  Facets of Scientific Inimitability:
It is known that a swine is a filthy animal both in its behavior and in
how it chooses its food. Bearing this in mind, idolaters considered it to be
the killer of the symbols of goodness. Myths from ancient Egypt tell us
that it was a swine that killed Horus. The Cananites even tell us that it was
a swine that killed their god, Adone. The Greeks believe that a swine
killed their god Adonis and Atis. In ancient Egypt, herding swine was
viewed as one of the most degrading jobs. People who had such a job
were not allowed into the temple and were not allowed to marry any
woman except one from their own class. Anyone who touched a pig was
required to have a bath. The People of the Book are prohibited from
eating it, yet they violate this prohibition. Speaking about its prohibition,
the Qur'an declares that it is filth. The word ‘filth’ covers all types of filth
and also explains that consuming it is harmful too. This prohibition is
mentioned in three places in the Qur'an;

sci·ence (sns)
n.
1.
a. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
b. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
c. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
2. Methodological activity, discipline, or study.
3. An activity that appears to require study and method.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

Moslemman. Please find above some of the descriptions of science. I found the quotation you posted to contain neither science, proof nor inimitability. Perhaps I am missing something, and feel free to enlighten me but how do 'Myths from ancient Egypt' equate to science?
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09-09-2009, 07:11 AM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
(09-08-2009 10:38 AM)GTseng3 Wrote:  Without modern cooking techniques, pork is filthy and disease-ridden. With modern cooking techniques it's still fatty.

Interestingly, the parasites common to pork - and to which humans are especially susceptible, e.g., trichinosis - are virtually non-existent in hot dry climates like the Middle East. They are far more prevalent in cooler damper climates like North America, Europe, Russia and China. Yet it is in exactly those places that pork is a staple yet it is prohibited by the two main religions that originated and still are centered in the Middlle East. Moreover, it is not just pork that is prohibited by Kosher and Hal-al laws but absolutely anything to do with the pig up to and including American footballs and pig bristle paint brushes.

This makes sense if we consider two facts about pigs.

First, they have sensitive skin. They must roll around in mud to protect their skin, especially in hot dry climates. This means living near river banks. But river banks are scarcer in the Middle East and the water needs to be kept reasonably clean for drinking and irrigation.

Second, unlike cattle and other herbivores, pigs eat pretty much what humans eat. With arable land at a premium in desert countries, pigs are unacceptable competitors with people for food.

The upshot is that raising pigs in the Middle East is simply incompatible with human populations, for food or any other purpose, so much so that the prohibition needs to have religious backing.
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09-09-2009, 11:27 AM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
A good answer Parousia and far more coherent than the OP. Thank you.
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09-10-2009, 08:08 AM (This post was last modified: 09-10-2009 08:36 AM by moslemman.)
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
Islam prevented moslems from the pork
after 1400 years science discovered that pork is a reason of more of diseases here is the miracle and that answered the question of - why Islam prevent the pork
read more about that here
Islam prevented moslems from the pork
after 1400 years science discovered that pork is a reason of more of diseases here is the miracle and that answered the question of - why Islam prevent the pork
read more about that here
http://www.55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?o...&Itemid=96
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09-10-2009, 08:37 AM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
(09-10-2009 08:08 AM)moslemman Wrote:  Islam prevented moslems from the pork
after 1400 years science discovered that pork is a reason of more of diseases here is the miracle and that answered the question of - why Islam prevent the pork
read more about that here

You did not address the issues I raised above, specifically:

@ That the disease issue of pork is much less critical in hot dry climates such as where Islam originated.

@ That in areas where the disease issue is more serious, pork is nonetheless eaten in large quantities. It is simply a matter of cooking it very well.

@ That the prohibition is not merely against eating pork but against having pigs around at all.

We may note that where pigs are plentiful and eaten in large quantities, there are also many rivers to provide for the needs of both pigs (mud and 'human' food) and humans (agricultural irrigation and drinking water). As an example, Germans consume probably more pigs than anyone. Look at this river map of Germany. The dark blue lines are the major rivers, the lighter blue lines are the medium sized ones.
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09-10-2009, 08:16 PM (This post was last modified: 09-10-2009 08:31 PM by moslemman.)
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
dry climates or not you may explain your words it is something related to nature of pork and its food
you can read more here
http://www.55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?o...&Itemid=96
i advise you to read about the issue from scientific books and listen to words of scientists about pork
thanks
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09-10-2009, 08:32 PM (This post was last modified: 09-10-2009 08:40 PM by Parousia.)
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
(09-10-2009 08:16 PM)moslemman Wrote:  dry climates or not you may explain your words it is something related to nature of pork and its food
you can read more here
http://www.55a.net/firas/en1/index.php?o...&Itemid=96
i advise you to read about the issue from scientific books and listen to words of scientists about pork
thanks

I have read much about physiology, human and animal. The reason pork is dangerous is that pigs and humans can get much of the same diseases, being surprisingly close genetically. The issue with digesting fat is more or less common to the fat of all mammals. Lamb fat is a real problem in that respect but lamb is nonetheless halal. Pigs today are being bred leaner, fed leaner, trimmed leaner and cooked leaner. But pork must still be cooked thoroughly to kill the various micro-organisms and other parasites that can live comfortably in both pigs and humans. And as I said earlier, cooler damper regions of the world are at much greater risk of disease than desert regions, yet pork is a staple there.
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09-13-2009, 07:19 AM
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RE: The Prohibition of Pork: A Scientific Proof - 2
off course not the same diseases the pigs are a source of diseases and the article explain that if you have read it !

your words mean that there are disease anyway for the pig

here is the miracle of the holy Quraan that prevented the pigs

dry climates or not what is the diferrence !
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