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The fate of the moon in the Holy Quran and science
01-13-2010, 03:32 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2010 04:16 PM by Parousia.)
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The fate of the moon in the Holy Quran and science
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01-13-2010, 03:52 PM
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"Folding Up" is a very poor metaphor. I think Allah really did not have a good handle on the Arabic language.

I jest, of course, but the point is this verse says nothing. It is far to vague to be any sort of predictor. In addition, this is hardly the earliest example of a myth that involves the sun going out. The sun is a big light. It's only natural to think the sun going out would be the end of the world. The Egyptians had a similar myth (though theirs involved the sun not rising if Ra lost his nightly battle against Apep,) and there are countless other examples.

This verse gives absolutely no evidence as to the rightness of the Quran.

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01-13-2010, 04:13 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2010 04:14 PM by Phill.)
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Allah also thought the moon and sun was flat like paper and could be crumpled up. Thats what this verse means. Allah also thought the sun was smaller than the earth and that it revolves around the Earth, not the opposite as true science shows.
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01-13-2010, 04:18 PM
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(01-13-2010 04:13 PM)Phill Wrote:  ...Allah also thought the sun was smaller than the earth and that it revolves around the Earth, not the opposite as true science shows.

What is your source on this?

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01-13-2010, 04:28 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2010 04:28 PM by Ahmadi.)
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I am not talking about abd allah's post, I have not reviewed the link. This is pertaining to GTseng3 post.

GTseng3! I joined the forum yesterday. I have not read enough of your posts yet, but I like many of your comments, and obviously on reputation scale you are '13.' Let me invite you to read one book by Maurice Bucaille. I realize that you are an atheist. I just want to open a possibility for you.

Let me say that if there is a God and if for Him past, present and future are simultaneous, then to assume that His revelation should be completely in keeping with genuine scientific findings, is no stretch at all, but is rather self evident. As His 'work' that is nature cannot contradict what is His word or the scripture. 'Truth cannot contradict the truth' was originally said by Pope John Paul II. What he said was right but he had the wrong choice of the scripture, but that is not the issue here.

The limitation is that all the independent thinkers in the West are burnt by the limitations and unwarranted claims about the Bible. The Holy Quran, in contrast may be true in its claims. It claims to be literal word of God and historically has been precisely preserved. Obviously, I do not expect that you are going to take my words for it. I just want you to create a possibility that it is not Bible, it is different.

The book I have in mind for you is 'the Bible the Quran and Science.' Bucaille was a French surgeon. The book is online:

http://home.swipnet.se/islam/quran-bible.htm

This book could be considered all time best seller among the Muslims. If nothing else you will know more about the psyche of a billion Muslims. Hopefully you will indulge me enough to at least browse the book.
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01-13-2010, 04:33 PM
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My book list, regrettably, is very long right now (currently I'm reading a fascinating book about the origins and evolution of monsters in myth and fairy tales, and after that I have a great book on the Albigensian heresy), so I do not know if I will be able to get to this anytime soon. But thank you for the link.

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01-13-2010, 05:23 PM
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OK at least you know about it now, whenever time constraints allow. Looking at your book selection reminded me of a 36 lecture course by the Teaching Company:

The Catholic Church: A History

Course No. 6640 (36 lectures, 30 minutes/lecture)

Taught by William R. Cook
State University of New York at Geneseo
Ph.D., Cornell University

I am listening to these now and got to lecture 20, he covered the Albigensian heresy, but all the heresies are muddled in my mind now. William R. Cook seems to be a devout Catholic but does give enough insight, that is helpful to the non-believers.
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01-13-2010, 07:02 PM
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Ahmadi,

On a slightly separate note, I've just read the rep that Stereo has given you. I'm not so sure on the phrasing of his compliment, but the thought is there and I agree with it.

I'm enjoying reading your posts, as you seem open minded and well read. I look forward to trying to engage you in discussion soon. Thanks for joining us, I hope you stick around.

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01-13-2010, 09:21 PM
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(01-13-2010 04:18 PM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(01-13-2010 04:13 PM)Phill Wrote:  ...Allah also thought the sun was smaller than the earth and that it revolves around the Earth, not the opposite as true science shows.

What is your source on this?

Sun smalller than earth: The Qur’an 18:83-98 "it set in a spring of muddy water. (would have to be small to do that on earth)
Geocentric Earth :

The Qur’an talks of the earth in terms as if it were stationary, with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Qur’an 2:258; 21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1). "It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33). We know today that the sun is far bigger than the earth, and is drawing the round earth in it's orbit.


This shows that Allah thought everthing moved around the Earth as we are the centre.

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01-14-2010, 05:11 PM
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(01-13-2010 09:21 PM)Phill Wrote:  ...Hope this answers your question

Yes, it does, thanks.

Of course Muslims will say that Mohammed was simply using phenomenological imagery, and not intending to be taken literally on those points. The same would apply to their "clots of blood" descriptions of the fetus.

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