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The next prophet
07-16-2010, 10:55 PM
Post: #1
The next prophet
When a nation start to ignore the testament of their prophet because hundreds of years passed since their prophet died and because of new generations then a new prophet is chosen from one of them to invite them to worship Allah and unification and Allah support his prophets with miracles .

The impact of the miracle is very strong for those who saw it so the people start to become believers again and they tell the people who did not see the miracle and every generation tell the next generation but gradually the impact of the miracle is reduced and the people start to be disbelievers.

So a new prophet is chosen from one of them and the events pass similarly

The message of Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him) was about 2000 years ago

The message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) was 600 years after Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him)

Nowadays more than 1400 years since the message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) and Allah told us in the Quran that Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is the last prophet and he is sent to all people in all the world and the message is completed.

So there is no next prophet.

But should not we get a new miracle like the people in the passed ?!!

The answer is no because the miracle of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is still alive with us and it is the Holy Quran.

The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
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07-16-2010, 11:36 PM
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RE: The next prophet
Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.
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07-17-2010, 12:35 AM
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RE: The next prophet
(07-16-2010 11:36 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.


The problem with this is that most people claiming to be prophets are under the influence of some drug, or in a hospital waiting to be put on some very nice medication.

We've had many prophets, or rather, claimants. But nowadays, we just call them cults and their followers deranged.

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07-17-2010, 01:07 AM (This post was last modified: 07-17-2010 01:11 AM by Phill.)
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RE: The next prophet
(07-17-2010 12:35 AM)vociferous Wrote:  
(07-16-2010 11:36 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.


The problem with this is that most people claiming to be prophets are under the influence of some drug, or in a hospital waiting to be put on some very nice medication.

Hmmm, what hospital you in Bio ?? Smile. Just kidding friend Smile

But in all seriousness. The only miracle about the Koran is that it lasted this long and didn’t die out when Mohammad did. Mind you it nearly did, when a lot of tribes immediately reverted after his death which can only mean they were forced to convert to Islam in the first place out of pure fear.
The only other miracle I can see is that Muslims dont see the falsehoods contained in the Koran and blindly follow 7th century biographers who had to make up the Islamic histories.
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07-17-2010, 01:17 AM
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RE: The next prophet
(07-17-2010 01:07 AM)Phill Wrote:  Hmmm, what hospital you in Bio ?? Smile. Just kidding friend Smile

But in all seriousness. The only miracle about the Koran is that it lasted this long and didn’t die out when Mohammad did. Mind you it nearly did, when a lot of tribes immediately reverted after his death which can only mean they were forced to convert to Islam in the first place out of pure fear.
The only other miracle I can see is that Muslims dont see the falsehoods contained in the Koran and blindly follow 7th century biographers who had to make up the Islamic histories.
Christianity's no better. The people who wrote the New Testament were very aware of what criteria were presented in the Old Testament, and worked to fit that image for Jesus. Jesus was almost certainly a very charismatic rabbi.

Christianity just worked because it actively proselytized. Same with Islam.

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07-17-2010, 05:23 AM
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(07-16-2010 10:55 PM)moonsun Wrote:  When a nation start to ignore the testament of their prophet because hundreds of years passed since their prophet died and because of new generations then a new prophet is chosen from one of them to invite them to worship Allah and unification and Allah support his prophets with miracles .

The impact of the miracle is very strong for those who saw it so the people start to become believers again and they tell the people who did not see the miracle and every generation tell the next generation but gradually the impact of the miracle is reduced and the people start to be disbelievers.

So a new prophet is chosen from one of them and the events pass similarly

The message of Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him) was about 2000 years ago

The message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) was 600 years after Jesus (prayer and peace be upon him)

Nowadays more than 1400 years since the message of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) and Allah told us in the Quran that Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is the last prophet and he is sent to all people in all the world and the message is completed.

So there is no next prophet.

But should not we get a new miracle like the people in the passed ?!!

The answer is no because the miracle of Mohammad (prayer and peace be upon him) is still alive with us and it is the Holy Quran.

The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
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muhammad was and is a false prophet.....christ was and is , the only true prophet .
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07-17-2010, 06:53 AM
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RE: The next prophet
(07-17-2010 12:35 AM)vociferous Wrote:  
(07-16-2010 11:36 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.


The problem with this is that most people claiming to be prophets are under the influence of some drug, or in a hospital waiting to be put on some very nice medication.

Do you drink any alcoholic beverages? Do you take medications for pain or depression? If so, you are like "most people" and clearly prejudiced against others just like you who perhaps aren't using your drugs so you lambaste them and ignore you're own drug intoxication.


We've had many prophets, or rather, claimants. But nowadays, we just call them cults and their followers deranged.

And you're qualifications to judge such people are.......?
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07-17-2010, 01:06 PM
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RE: The next prophet
(07-17-2010 06:53 AM)biomystic Wrote:  
(07-17-2010 12:35 AM)vociferous Wrote:  
(07-16-2010 11:36 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.


The problem with this is that most people claiming to be prophets are under the influence of some drug, or in a hospital waiting to be put on some very nice medication.

Do you drink any alcoholic beverages? Do you take medications for pain or depression? If so, you are like "most people" and clearly prejudiced against others just like you who perhaps aren't using your drugs so you lambaste them and ignore you're own drug intoxication.


We've had many prophets, or rather, claimants. But nowadays, we just call them cults and their followers deranged.

And you're qualifications to judge such people are.......?


Well, my qualifications are common sense. I can pretty much spot an insane person if he is trying to get me to commit suicide when a comet passes by the Earth. Or if he tells me these 'thetans' were blown up with H-bombs billions of years ago. Or if he tells me to shun those who do not follow him.


I do not take any drugs, nor use any form of alcohol. The only medicine I take is to combat my form of epilepsy.

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07-17-2010, 03:21 PM
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RE: The next prophet
(07-17-2010 01:06 PM)vociferous Wrote:  
(07-17-2010 06:53 AM)biomystic Wrote:  
(07-17-2010 12:35 AM)vociferous Wrote:  
(07-16-2010 11:36 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, the egotism and lack of wisdom of the past Abrahamic leaders, Moses, Paul, and Muhammad, each out to create a new religion with themselves as The Source of earthly contact with God, and each trying to put a stop to any competitors as if earthly men could put a sock in God's mouth!

What does history tell us about religious revelations from God? It tells us that they never stop coming. Oh, there are often long periods of time in between prophetic visions but so far no one, not Moses, his vision overturned by Jesus Christ, not Paul, his vision overturned by Muhammad, not Muhammad, his vision overturned by the founder of Ba'ha'i, and then we have Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, etc, etc, and of course, yours truly.Praise Thank God, revelation never stops. Think what human culture would be like if all humanity were frozen in ideological development in the 7th century Arabic culture.

"God is God of the living, not the dead", one of Christianity's major contributions to spiritual knowledge.

We will please God when we each can stand alone in our relationship with the Creator and not rely on ancient dead men to tell us how to think and act and worship. This prophesy bearer says, Do not be a clone of a dead man. You are worth more than being pawns of ancient dead men with ego problems who really did think they could tell the world how to worship God their way(s) and no other. Think for yourself. If God wanted human beings to be clones mimicking the thinking of one man God would have made us like bees serving the queen of the hive.


The problem with this is that most people claiming to be prophets are under the influence of some drug, or in a hospital waiting to be put on some very nice medication.

Do you drink any alcoholic beverages? Do you take medications for pain or depression? If so, you are like "most people" and clearly prejudiced against others just like you who perhaps aren't using your drugs so you lambaste them and ignore you're own drug intoxication.


We've had many prophets, or rather, claimants. But nowadays, we just call them cults and their followers deranged.

And you're qualifications to judge such people are.......?


Well, my qualifications are common sense. I can pretty much spot an insane person if he is trying to get me to commit suicide when a comet passes by the Earth. Or if he tells me these 'thetans' were blown up with H-bombs billions of years ago. Or if he tells me to shun those who do not follow him.


I do not take any drugs, nor use any form of alcohol. The only medicine I take is to combat my form of epilepsy.

Ah, you take a mind-altering substance. You must be a druggie. So then who are you to point fingers at anyone one else altering their consciousness? Common sense should have told you long ago that most people who do point their fingers at other people's drugs of choice are usually hypocrites not bothering to consider their own drug use.
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07-17-2010, 03:30 PM
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(07-17-2010 03:21 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Ah, you take a mind-altering substance. You must be a druggie. So then who are you to point fingers at anyone one else altering their consciousness? Common sense should have told you long ago that most people who do point their fingers at other people's drugs of choice are usually hypocrites not bothering to consider their own drug use.
No. The medication I use has never been linked to any altered state of mental capacity. It has no other effect past blocking epileptic seizures.

You cannot compare an anti-epileptic medication to someone who takes LSD. That's like saying someone who takes Advil is as bad as someone who shoots up Heroin. Or comparing someone who drinks coffee to someone who snorts cocaine. It's a real weak argument.

Also, it wasn't about altered mental states. I said that that can cause what seem to be prophetic messages, but I didn't say all prophets did them.

What differentiates a prophet from a charlatan is nothing. A prophet is just a very charismatic charlatan who gets a lot of followers. Sometimes they teach good messages, but a lot of the time they do it for ulterior motives. We will never know what Muhammad, Jesus, Zarathustra, etc. wanted through their teachings, since the time depth does not permit it.

I know and have researched Out of Body Experiences. In those circles, accordingly, they say that drugs take you to a lower astral plane, where you usually suffer accordingly. I do not condemn all forms of drug use (I think they should legalize marijuana), but I do not follow the ramblings of a druggie.

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