Truth

[Kira]

INTRODUCTION

(NOTE: I apologise for any typo's or spelling errors, I have mild Dyslexia.)

We all want to know the truth, and the fact is, on some level we all do. Every once in a while we find ourselves staring out of the window at the world and the truth can dawn on us, and some of us grasp tightly, and realise what it means. Others shrug it off when it threatens previous beliefs.

Revelations in the Bible speaks of an end of the way we see the world today. Revelations in itself means to reveal the truth, an end to life as we know it. That does NOT say the end of the world. It does NOT say we're all going to die.

It means change.

It means a new world.

A new realisation, a new truth. Where belief...becomes knowledge.

Everyone has their beliefs...but I don't. I don't consider what I have a belief, I don't consider what I have as an idea, I don't consider what I have a faith.

I consider it a Truth.

I am now going to speak of my Truth.

I shall come by this truth in a circular way. I will not spout my claim...I will not shove it down your throat and force you to believe it...I will go at it...backwards.

I will show you the proof, the information to get you thinking, let the questions form. And then I'll answer those questions. Then I'll show you the conclusion. I do not mind if you choose to stay as you are, it is your decision, but I only wish to be heard, and see if I am understood.


PROOF

Noetic science is a wonderful recent field. It is the study of the observer. Within science, everything is observed, and yet we've never decided to study the most fundamental aspect of any observed phenominon. The observer.

The observer is you, the inner you, the you inside your head. Your mind. Everything that makes you who you are is within your head, your body, a vehicle for the soul. You are no more your flesh than you are the car you drive to work in the morning. Everything that makes you who you are, the very essence of being human...is within your electrical data. Your brain, impulses firing, memories, signals to move, your experiances, its all just electricity, data, and information traveling along rays of light and molecular magnetic fields.

We are energy. Not Flesh.

It is said that we were made within gods image, the bible states this, and depictions of god in many forms of many religions is always humanoid. Does that mean god looks like a human? How can he looked like a human if he's inside us? How can he look like a human if he's existed for longer than humans have, for longer than the very thought of humans had ever come into being?

We are not our flesh. We are our electrical data, and our electrcial data...is our soul.

God is energy. The flow of life and rebirth and death. The afterlife? reincarnation? ITS ALL REAL. No religion is wrong and no religion is right because they are all one in the same telling the same story a different way.


In 1988 a german man figured out beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans have a soul. The soul exists, scientifically proven and accepted by those that care to research it.
The pope himself congratulated and supports the research that is still being conducted today, believing that a link can be found, and that science in and of itself can combine with the church to PROVE the existance of God. A bold statment.

But I think god already has been proven. He's in front of our eyes.

But before I continue on that note, let me continue on another.

Noetic science is the study of the power of the mind. The basis of its belief is a fundemental and mind blowing concept. Mindblowing if you understand the gravity of the words.

Thoughts have Mass.

Now I doubt many of you are understanding why that phrase is so powerful. Allow me to interpret.
Everything in the entire world that is physical, has mass. and every thing that has mass has gravity, and an electromagnet current that physically interacts with the world.
Energy is a programmable entity. It is capable of being programmed for specific tasks. The body does this constantly. Moving your arms and legs takes an electromagent current along the nerve systems of the body that travels from the brain. The brain can program Energy.
Now if thoughts had mass, then a thought must have gravity, no matter how small a factor. But energy is a strange and powerful being.
Energy transcends space and time. Each molecule of energy has a distinct electromagnet frequency and indicator. Any other molecule of energy in the ENTIRE cosmos that has the same frequency...vibrates in tandem together regardless of distance with no lag.
That means energy transcends space and time, but the closer the energy is together, the more the energy is magnefied. The energy rebounds on itself and grows stronger. The more energy of the same frequency you have, the stronger the magnetic pulse. And a programmed pulse can be useful.
So....if thoughts can be programmed?
And thoughts are energy?
And energy reacts with other energy thats pragrammed the same?
And Thoughts and energy have mass?
And mass means gravity?
And gravity means the ability to affect the physical world?
Then Thoughts can affect the physical world, and the more people thinking the same thing, the more those thoughts gather more energy, grow stronger and have a stronger force of gravity.

If someone was ill, and their body is using electromagentic energy in the nerve systems and white blood cells of the body to combat and fight against the infections. And there were 10,000 people surrounding this person all thinking the exact same thought "heal". All that energy, all that gravity and all that programmed electromagnet force focused on such a single task...what do you think would happen?

Christians experiance this all the time in church. Prayers, communal healing. Many religions practice such ideals but belief the result to be the work of god, not realising that the result is a work of themselves, their own energy, saving the person they want saved.

Experiments in high static energy with electrosensory goggles (equipment that allows scientists to observe the electrical aura of a person) has shown that renown world healers PROJECT their energy into the other person. This is real, this is catagorised and documented, and shows the power of the human potential.

If humans have this kind of power? what other kind of power do we have?

Inner divinity is a notion spoke of in ALL religions of the world. That something divine is within us. Jesus states in many cases in the bible that god is within us. That he is a part of us.

We are energy housed in bodies of flesh. But what makes us who we are, our beliefs, our conciousness, our memories and experiances is energy within our brains. Energy makes us who we are.

So if what we are is energy, and god made us in his image. god is energy.

Where does the life-force of energy come from?

The sun, the moon, the earth, plants, animals, star's billions of miles away, the electromagnetic field affects everything, and within the earth and the energies around us are the lives and experiances of thoasands and billions of lives before it. Its renewed, rebound, energy is passed on, inherited, returned, released and taken and molded and formed. A beautiful circle of life and the miracle of creation.

Did god create the world? yes.

Energy created the world, gravity, electromagnet forces compelled and controlled, centrafugal force dictating the spin of galaxys and the miracle of life is the result.

Everything in the Galaxy is dictated by gravitational forces, and thats just energy. A constant weave of electric currents in space, folding in on itself, showing the raw power, and yet subtle nature of the proccess of life from the lifeless.

So what religion is right? They all are. What religion is wrong? They all are. And thats because their so wrapped up in the specifics of the message they hold dear to realise that the message isn't a small picture....its a very very big one. Bigger than any of us. Bigger than anything.

Every living thing is made in gods image, everything in existance is a home and a vessel for god.

Noetic science helps us realise the Truth.

We don't need churches, we dont need sinigogs(badly spelt), we only need each other. What faith do we need? Faith in ourselves, faith that god truly did exist at the dawn of time, and that he is with us. Because no matterr what faith you choose, every single one tells a single story. And in the Conclusion, I will tell that story.


CONCLUSION

We are god.

We are devine.

We have the power to shape our own lives with the power of our thoughts. And every religion knows this. Enlightenment, inner divinity, even the bible realises this, but hides it behind things people take literally. God is within you, god is all around you, I am god, my father is gone, made in gods image.

Christianity tells the story in many ways. And yet, the translations have been taken literal, the texts stating the obvious have been ignored. Theories and idea's behind idiotic things like the last sion and blood of christ fail to realise that jesus was just a man. An enlightened man, trying to show you the way.

You see, a bad man cannot become enlightened. Morality has little to do with it. An angry man, a hateful man, never knows inner piece, and thoughts cannot be controlled, feelings are not understood or respected. And it takes a diciplined mind, a focused mind, and a clear and peaceful mind to push the energy of the body into a single cause, a single point. Harmonising with others? The feeling of oneness in a church? Your entering a high static area full of people all believing and thinking the same thing. The skin prickles, the hairs stand up, the mind becomes pensive and thoughts arise that usually arent there, almost reading the energy around it. And you can become lost in the fold, lost in the light and goodness of being one of many.

We are god and we control our world. When we die, a strong conciousness can hold together the strands of who they are, some disipate, some dont. energy is reused for other lifeforms, energy disipates and goes to other uses, and every so often, a strong cause, someone that believes something so strongly, can stay behind, as a coherent aspect of that energy. The ideal of spirits becomes easy, when you consider things on a quantum scale of life and death.

Why is this hard to accept? Why do christians specifically hate the idea of man claiming divinity?

Its not so much a case of a lack of proof or belief. But a lack of morality or responcibility.

The idea that we are god, prevents the parent figure. It stops there being a concequence for actions, stops there being a true reason to be decent people.

Afterall...if this is the only life you have, and you have the power to learn to control almost every aspect of it through sheer will, then why should you be afraid of a godly figure in heaven? if you realise he's not there?

But let me ask you something.
Whats more noble, just and good?

Someone who does good, and does well to others because they are forced to out of fear?
Or someone that does good, and does well to others...because they choose to?

I think that that the lack of a (christian style) god doesn't remove the idealism of responcibility. But more enforced it. Because a world where you answer to the one person that can truly hurt you, the one person that can easily destroy you, and the one person in the entire world who's opinion truly matters....yourself....is a world where responcibility becomes more important. And the need to be good becomes more important. Because no one can punish you more than yourself. (though depending on what you do, others should still have a bloody good try.)

I know I constantly speak about christianity here, and there are hundreds of other religions, and I value them all and despise no religion. Christianity however is the one with the most factor's I'm able to use, its one of the most recent, and also the most indepth religions. and the most widley practiced in the world.

It is in light of this, that for you christians I give you one last exclamation of proof to this Truth. Something before your eyes.

The True name of god in Hebrew is Yahweh.
The translation for Yahweh...is "I am/Me."


I do not pretend that what I have given is 100% accurate or understood, I do not pretend to claim it absolute or without flaw. I do not claim my Truth...superior to your belief. It is not.

I merely claim that this is my Truth. Consider it what you will.

Interesting reads about what I've said:
http://www.langkawi-yoga.com/meditation.html
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/goddess.asp
http://salemco.nl/?p=148
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl.../soul.aspx
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/3-16.htm
http://www.yhwh.com/gingn/gingn.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Acgvjw2s5k
http://www.manifestintuition.com/inner-divinity.html
http://spiritlibrary.com/michelle-coutan...sciousness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
http://divinitywithin.ca/
http://www.powells.com/biblio/91-9781452549248-0
http://www.noetic.org/about/what-are-noetic-sciences/

[Huitaca]

I only got this far.

Quote:In 1988 a german man figured out beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans have a soul. The soul exists, scientifically proven and accepted by those that care to research it.

No offence but I lost interest at that point.

Your "truth" is not the truth. I think your truth is nothing more than unsupported assumptions.

[Kira]

And its because you stopped reading that you failed to notice the links in the bottom of the page. two of which lead to supported and trusted articles and websites that describe what happened in 1988. and noetic science with modern advances has supported everything discovered before. we know the body has an energy form which has weight. we KNOW that its there when we're alive. and we KNOW that it leaves on death. now this energy is seemingly able to pass through solid objects, regardless of containment, meaning it vibrates on an alternate dimensional frequency to our standard molecules and energy readings. Now if thats not the soul? (and even the pope believes it is) then I would enjoy your personal assumption of what it might be. (notw, weight of airless and body compression upon death where calculated by super computers and mathmaticians, they do not account for the 21 grams of the soul)

[Huitaca]

I saw the links, all 13 of them. I'm sure there are better ways of getting a point across than an enormous post with several links at the end. How many people do you expect to get through all that?

[Elgonzero]

(06-16-2012 05:39 AM)Kira Wrote:  (notw, weight of airless and body compression upon death where calculated by super computers and mathmaticians, they do not account for the 21 grams of the soul)

I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thing either, but I know that this claim is based on a discredited study. I suspect that the rest of the claims are of a similar level of reliability.

[jrpurdon]

(06-15-2012 10:29 AM)Kira Wrote:  I merely claim that this is my Truth. Consider it what you will.

It either is true or it isn't. Maybe what you mean to say is that it works for you? That's fine, but don't bother pretending that there's credible evidence for your New Age philosophy.

[URAVIP2ME]

life-force [energy] comes from God's spirit according to Psalm 104 v 30

What brought Adam to 'animated life' according to Genesis [2 v 7] was not spirit but the breath of life.
The breath of life from God animated Adam.
At death breathless Adam was no longer animated meaning no longer living anywhere.
Adam had no life force [spirit/energy] at death.
Adam became a dead soul or a lifeless soul.- Acts 3 v 23; Ezekiel 18 vs 4 ,20

Revelation [singular] is about an end and a new beginning.
Not earth ending, but the 'world of badness' ending 1st John 5 v 19; Matthew 24 v 14
An end to those troublemakers as described at 2nd Timothy 3 vs 1-5,13; Psalm 92 v 7
And a new beginning starting with the humble sheep-like ones of Matthew 25 vs 31,32.
The former troubles [this world of badness] will be forgotten.-Isaiah 65 v 16 B, 17; 66 v22

[Huitaca]

Ravi, in 12 sentences you referenced 15 bible verses. I don't understand what the point of that is or what your post has to do with the discussion at hand. If I want to know what the bible says I'll read the bible.

My mistake though. Usually I just ignore your posts.

[Kira]

My Truth supports the idea of an intangible god, an all encompassing energy that is our very source of life, that we can tap into if we so choose. My truth supports the fundamentals of almost every religion on earth and gives people credability to their faiths, as well as a scientific documentation so that faith becomes truth. My truth has its basis in quantum scientific analysis proven in controlled lab situations and harboured by scientists of reliable interlect. A melding of science and religion into a single cohesive and tangible form. This explains healers, jesus, god, rebirth, death, souls, spirits, kinesis and afterlife within a sound scientific theory of quantum molecular energy.

What does hinduism give us? Guy with an elephant head. What does Buddah give us? Guy with long ears. What does christianity give us? An invisible bearded man that lives in the sky, shaking a finger at you.

Religion is based on lack of responcibility. People hide behind their faith, and blame god and the devil for the worlods state without taking responcibility and stating "hey, i could have stopped this...but i didnt."

I respect religion for its MEANING. A fool and a coward hides behind the details of doctrine. God is not responcible for anything good or bad that happens in your entire life. YOU are. and you can either stand up on your own two feet and face the world, taking control of YOUR existance and YOUR happiness...or you can remain a sheep to the masses.

"I am not within houses of wood or stone, I am within the hearts of man, and wherever you choose to find me." - Most well known rejected verse of the bible.

God is energy. we are made in his image. because god is the universe, and we are all its children. The bible truth is there...its just been mistranslated. And I think its high-time we stopped hiding behind faith...and started living with truth.

This is what I beleive. This is what I see and how I see the world.

Open your eyes and see it with me, or remain as you are. Whatever you choose, its up to you...afterall, as I've been saying for a while now......its your life.

[Satyros]

I'm sorry, I was going to let this be, but this post is just wrong. There is no other word to describe it. Nepravilʹno, maybe.

(06-17-2012 10:11 PM)Kira Wrote:  What does hinduism give us? Guy with an elephant head. What does Buddah give us? Guy with long ears. What does christianity give us? An invisible bearded man that lives in the sky, shaking a finger at you.

This. This is just... No! How could you say such things when you are obviously so ill-informed of those religions? (I ask this, yet only need browse around for other forum-users..) You are hideously oversimplifying these beliefs, doing them great injustice.

Hinduism "gives" more than Lord Ganesha. I know very little of it, however, so I'll let another user more knowledgeable ream you fully to your error, should they be willing. However I do know that it is more than a religion, and is the cultural identity of several nations.

Buddhism gives more than the image of Buddha, and "gives" structure to Buddhists to shape their own lives, that their enlightenment is attained only through their own works and not the works of another, nor worship of another (they actually don't worship Buddha in most Buddhist traditions.) It too is far more than a religion, and has become a cultural identity as well as a way of life for millions.

Christianity at it's heart offers far more as well than the ever-classical "God" figure shaking his finger at us from the clouds. Even I am not so jaded as to have this view. Christianity - as per the teachings of Jesus - is much like Buddhism, sharing many similarities, in that it shapes a way of life for those who call themselves Christian. It offers the ideal that though this world can be rotten and wicked, there is good in it and salvation can be had of the most decrepit yet repentant things. If you judge a religion based on the extremities portrayed publicly, then you are a poor judge.

Quote:Religion is based on lack of responcibility. People hide behind their faith, and blame god and the devil for the worlods state without taking responcibility and stating "hey, i could have stopped this...but i didnt."

Wrong, yet again. Religion is nothing more than communized faith. It is a collective gathering of those with like beliefs, given a set of governing "rules" to instill order. Religions are many and varied, just as social communities are. Are most similar? Of course. Yet this still doesn't mean that individual religions have any less meaning to their adherents. It's not one's proper place to judge others on the community that they decide to commune with. Be it Christian, Muslim, Pagan or Jewish.

As for the notions of responsibility, there are many religions that actually do place responsibility and blame upon the individual. Hinduism and Wicca, for instance, with their notions of Karma. Any wrongdoing of a Hinduist or Wiccan is only going to come back to them greater, so they've no one to blame but themselves. Or even varied traditions of Paganism (both classical and Neopagan,) have no "devil" figure perched on our shoulders steering us towards evil and temptation like some demented cowboy. We own our slovo, and take action with such responsibility. Do not be so quick to plaster the ideals of a few systems of faith over all, you only succeed in making yourself look all the poorer.

Quote:And I think its high-time we stopped hiding behind faith...and started living with truth.

You greatly mistake faith for religion. Religion is a community, as I have said, and yet still not all hide behind it. It is simply a gathering of people who believe the same, that one can turn to when they face issue with their faith. A place and gathering for them to do this, and know that those they turn to can relate and aid with their crisis however small. Faith, on the other hand, is individual belief. Even the lone wolf has faith in the Gods of the woods, though he has no pack to call his own. Those with faith are often able and willing to own their actions, even more so if they have no community - no religion - to back them in their struggles. Broaden your scope, learn more than what is immediately revealed, and then you will be able to address matters of Faith, rather than matters of Organized Religion.