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What qualifies someone as human?
09-12-2011, 09:12 PM
Post: #21
RE: What qualifies someone as human?
(09-12-2011 07:46 PM)Flipper Wrote:  At least do me the decency of acknowledging that you understand that I am not talking about ALL criminals here. Or if you don't understand then there is no point continuing.

Oh sure, I understand that. But this means that somewhere, you're drawing a line. And exactly where that line is will be arbitrary.

Quote:Please demonstrate exactly where I have advocated mob rule... Agreed standards of society are not mob rule.

From what I understand, the agreement you propose is that certain people lose their right to eat. This seems to suggest that if I want to eat, I should be a little more careful about making sure I stay on the right side of the agreement. If this isn't mob rule, perhaps dictatorship? I guess this all depends on who is given the authority to forge the agreement.

Quote:Are you honestly advocating that a person has rights but no responsibilities?

Absolutely not. I don't agree that people have the right never to be in jail, everyone deserves the right to be punished. But I submit to the rule of democracy only if we can establish some basic liberties. I don't want it to ever be that I lose the right to eat. So no matter what, criminals should be given three square meals a day. This is satisfactory for me to say that I willingly submit to circumstances that if I misbehave by some agreed rule, I can be imprisoned. If three squares are off the table, count me out. I think we forget that fundamentally, we choose to submit to the rule of society.

Understand, I don't plan on misbehaving and agree that those who do should be fairly punished. But I'm not the sole arbitrator of what constitutes wrongdoing. And even if I plan on never being on the wrong side of the law, things can change. So it's only fair that there's some kind of safety net (criminal rights).

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09-12-2011, 09:45 PM
Post: #22
RE: What qualifies someone as human?
(09-12-2011 09:12 PM)jrpurdon Wrote:  Oh sure, I understand that. But this means that somewhere, you're drawing a line. And exactly where that line is will be arbitrary.

I'm not drawing the line exactly, I am asking the question. I believe there should be a line somewhere but exactly where I am not so sure.

Aren't all of the standards of society arbitrary? Does that mean we should abandon all standards?

Quote:From what I understand, the agreement you propose is that certain people lose their right to eat.

Not at all. If you draw that arbitrary line and you cross that line then you should not expect to have your rights/priviledges protected. If you fall below that line then by all means your rights should be protected the same as any other individual.

I would not object if a person who had crossed that line was kept alive for the sole purpose of medical testing that would benefit the rest of humanity, failing that I think a death sentence is entirely appropriate.

Just for the sake of clarity, and I've said so before, I believe that there would be extremely few actual cases that crossed that line. In my view that line should be set so high that only the most brutal acts against another human being would cross it.

Quote:So no matter what, criminals should be given three square meals a day.

Never said they shouldn't. All I've said is that they should not expect to have their rights protected if they cross that line. If they cross the line and they are not to be executed then they should be provided the basic necessitites (like Maslows "basic" needs).

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02-24-2017, 05:16 AM
Post: #23
RE: What qualifies someone as human?
Love and Emotions for others whether it's a human being or animal. Help the needy ones and work for humanity and mankind are the some qualities which makes us a true human being.
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