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Where do people go when they die?
07-17-2017, 07:29 PM
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Where do people go when they die?
Many religions teach an array of traditions and customs from reincarnation to entering into another realm. Should we put our trust into traditions and customs?

“In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

“Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out,” (John 5:28)

“And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Rev 21:4)
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07-17-2017, 07:35 PM (This post was last modified: 07-17-2017 07:36 PM by PeterPants.)
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
No. We should not put our trust in traditions and costums, that would be rediculous. We should trust the evidence of reality (the one thing worth trusting). If a tradition and custom is demonstrably good then we should encourage it. If its demonstrably bad we should discourage it.

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07-17-2017, 09:50 PM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
The death of the body is permanent. It returns to dust. A meek and righteous spirit (which includes our essence) can enter a place we call "Heaven". From there, you can reincarnate, if that is your desire. If you're not forgiven by God, death can be instant, or you can go to a place called "Hell". This is a black hole. It is darkness, freezing cold, hyper-gravity, and a bottomless pit. It is not physical torture, it is mental terror. All sin is conceived of in the mind before being acted upon. It is also not forever, except in the case of Satan. The punishment will fit the sins. Eventually your spirit will be snuffed out (drowned) and you will cease to exist.
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07-18-2017, 02:35 AM (This post was last modified: 07-18-2017 02:35 AM by arthra.)
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
For Baha'is the body is associated with the soul and eventually the body will decay and return to dust while the life of the soul will continue advancing in the spiritual worlds of God.

Death is to be received as a Messenger of Joy:

O SON OF THE SUPREME!
I have made death a messenger of joy to thee. Wherefore dost thou grieve? I made the light to shed on thee its splendor. Why dost thou veil thyself therefrom?


~ Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words

A friend asked: "How should one look forward to death?"  

'Abdu'l-Bahá answered: "How does one look forward to the goal of any journey? With hope and with expectation. It is even so with the end of this earthly journey. In the next world, man will find himself freed from many of the disabilities under which he now suffers. Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call 'time and place.' Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 95

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07-18-2017, 02:40 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
(07-17-2017 07:29 PM)Brother Rando Wrote:  Many religions teach an array of traditions and customs from reincarnation to entering into another realm. Should we put our trust into traditions and customs?

“In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19)

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

“Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out,” (John 5:28)

“And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” (Rev 21:4)

I fully agree with you that we shouldn't put our trust in these unproven ideas, as you clearly show with those bible quotes!

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07-18-2017, 03:23 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
(07-17-2017 07:35 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  No. We should not put our trust in traditions and costums, that would be rediculous. We should trust the evidence of reality (the one thing worth trusting)..

The problem with that, is that "reality" is relative to our perceptions in this present existence. There is no physical evidence to suggest what happens to us after we die. It is purely speculative.

If one does not believe in Almighty God, it is much easier to assume that our physical senses perceive all .. 'reality' is a lot more complex than that

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07-18-2017, 05:08 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
(07-18-2017 03:23 AM)muhammad_isa Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 07:35 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  No. We should not put our trust in traditions and costums, that would be rediculous. We should trust the evidence of reality (the one thing worth trusting)..

The problem with that, is that "reality" is relative to our perceptions in this present existence. There is no physical evidence to suggest what happens to us after we die. It is purely speculative.

We could indeed in fact be living in a "matrix" reality, or any other "alternative" reality. Is it useful to consider this? Of course not - we'll have to do with what we can observe.

(07-18-2017 03:23 AM)muhammad_isa Wrote:  If one does not believe in Almighty God, it is much easier to assume that our physical senses perceive all

It's in fact the only logical thing do to. Speculating about alternative realities is philosophically interesting, but no more than that.

(07-18-2017 03:23 AM)muhammad_isa Wrote:  .. 'reality' is a lot more complex than that

That's your opinion - unless you have evidence to show us otherwise?

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07-18-2017, 06:29 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
"Had Zimri peace, who slew his master?"

I think that when I die I'll go to Disneyland. It will save on the parking fees.

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07-18-2017, 07:05 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
(07-18-2017 03:23 AM)muhammad_isa Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 07:35 PM)PeterPants Wrote:  No. We should not put our trust in traditions and costums, that would be rediculous. We should trust the evidence of reality (the one thing worth trusting)..

The problem with that, is that "reality" is relative to our perceptions in this present existence. There is no physical evidence to suggest what happens to us after we die. It is purely speculative.

If one does not believe in Almighty God, it is much easier to assume that our physical senses perceive all .. 'reality' is a lot more complex than that

what? evidence does not function like that, we can see for a fact that our perceptions are massively flawed, easily fooled, they are untrustworthy.
What i was suggesting is appealing to the evidence of reality, ie, what can be shown to be true, reliably, and unbiasedly.
Enter stage, science.

Our reality is indeed very complex, as is the material that our human scale existence is comprised of. you speculate some extra magical force that science, or even evidence itself, cant touch. I say thats nonsense, i dont believe there is any evidence or justified defense for such superstitious reasoning.

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07-18-2017, 09:26 AM
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RE: Where do people go when they die?
The long answer can be provided by any number of religious quotes and philosophical treatises but the short answer is, as usual, the most reliable: We don't know.

We don't know if death is 'the end', if there is another form of existence, if some heaven or hell or nothingness awaits us- and we won't know until we get there (or not). Since no one has 'been there, done that' and returned to tell the tale- with evidence- 'we don't know' is the only answer we can rely upon.

When someone asks "What would Jesus do?" remind them that flipping tables and chasing people with a whip is entirely possible.
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