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Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
01-20-2010, 05:11 AM
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Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named

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01-20-2010, 10:15 AM
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named

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If they remove the OT, which is more bigger than the NT, than only remains is NT, which contains nothing but statements of the authors of NT.
Very few words exist in NT, which Jesus said by himself. So Christians dont have any other choice to keep the OT include in the Bible, otherwise how they can claim that Christianity is a religion.
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01-20-2010, 10:32 AM (This post was last modified: 01-20-2010 10:37 AM by Stereophonic.)
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(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named...

In my understanding, the OT provides the background, context, and general plausibility structures for the need, the purpose, and the character of the Messiah, who of course is written about in the NT.

Can you give a specific example of what OT passages are given more credence (in your opinion) than the NT?

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01-20-2010, 11:39 AM
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(01-20-2010 10:32 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named...

In my understanding, the OT provides the background, context, and general plausibility structures for the need, the purpose, and the character of the Messiah, who of course is written about in the NT.

Can you give a specific example of what OT passages are given more credence (in your opinion) than the NT?

If you take the summary of NT, you wont find anything, but if you take the summary of OT, you will find many laws, commandments, informative thing.
So its true, that with OT, Bible contains nothing, and also, all the prophecy mentioned in the OT, Jesus(pbuh) is not matching anywhere near.
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01-20-2010, 03:00 PM
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-20-2010 11:39 AM)TruthWon Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 10:32 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named...

In my understanding, the OT provides the background, context, and general plausibility structures for the need, the purpose, and the character of the Messiah, who of course is written about in the NT.

Can you give a specific example of what OT passages are given more credence (in your opinion) than the NT?

If you take the summary of NT, you wont find anything, but if you take the summary of OT, you will find many laws, commandments, informative thing.
So its true, that with OT, Bible contains nothing, and also, all the prophecy mentioned in the OT, Jesus(pbuh) is not matching anywhere near.

So a bunch of ancient social laws are what's of value in the Old Testament while spiritual knowledge of the goodness and forgiveness of God found in the NT is not? Your opinion of what is of value shows the Muslim bias of needing a human authority figure to give them a Script for their lives telling them how to behave in society so they don't have to think on their own. They just have to read the Script and obey. Unfortunately, following the ancient Scripts, as most Jews have found out, does not teach appropriate behavior for modern democratic societies. Totalitarian control is no longer sought by societies that have experienced democracy's freedom. Christ overthrew the Mosaic Law's hold on Jews. Christianity doesn't teach a bunch of ancient social rules but only a willingness to forgive sins of people and a hope for a better life through serving one's fellow human beings. Christianity therefore was more open to the development of democracy. Judaism, becoming ever more secularly concerned has also dropped the Mosaic Law codes (some of which if followed as is would quickly land Jews in prison, e.g. stoning adulteresses and disobedient children). But Muslims have yet to learn that trying to impose ancient men's ideas on modern society doesn't work. God is on the side of democracy, not totalitarianism.
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01-20-2010, 03:04 PM
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-20-2010 03:00 PM)biomystic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 11:39 AM)TruthWon Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 10:32 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named...

In my understanding, the OT provides the background, context, and general plausibility structures for the need, the purpose, and the character of the Messiah, who of course is written about in the NT.

Can you give a specific example of what OT passages are given more credence (in your opinion) than the NT?

If you take the summary of NT, you wont find anything, but if you take the summary of OT, you will find many laws, commandments, informative thing.
So its true, that with OT, Bible contains nothing, and also, all the prophecy mentioned in the OT, Jesus(pbuh) is not matching anywhere near.

So a bunch of ancient social laws are what's of value in the Old Testament while spiritual knowledge of the goodness and forgiveness of God found in the NT is not? Your opinion of what is of value shows the Muslim bias of needing a human authority figure to give them a Script for their lives telling them how to behave in society so they don't have to think on their own. They just have to read the Script and obey. Unfortunately, following the ancient Scripts, as most Jews have found out, does not teach appropriate behavior for modern democratic societies. Totalitarian control is no longer sought by societies that have experienced democracy's freedom. Christ overthrew the Mosaic Law's hold on Jews. Christianity doesn't teach a bunch of ancient social rules but only a willingness to forgive sins of people and a hope for a better life through serving one's fellow human beings. Christianity therefore was more open to the development of democracy. Judaism, becoming ever more secularly concerned has also dropped the Mosaic Law codes (some of which if followed as is would quickly land Jews in prison, e.g. stoning adulteresses and disobedient children). But Muslims have yet to learn that trying to impose ancient men's ideas on modern society doesn't work. God is on the side of democracy, not totalitarianism.

Sorry sir, but we are not discussing abuse here for any1, and your rude behaviour is just showing what you learn from NT.
Anyways, if you say that the laws of OT are not to be followed in current years, than why are Christians keeping the OT?
NT is not teaching any moral law, its infact bringing down and end of human society.

If you are asking for civilization is good becasue of NT, and in these days because of you, find out yourself, the crime rate of every kind is more in Christians countries, than in any Islamic country.
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01-20-2010, 04:16 PM
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For Truthwon. I can see that you have been severly brainwashed into thinking that the NT does not teach any moral laws. It also clearly shows you have never tried to understand the scriptures.

As you know Jesus came to fullfill the law, not to abolish it. He also taught many other moral codes that relate to the old Law to make people understand it better than they did. When he resurected he told his apostles to go out unto the Gentiles of all nations to teach what he showed them.

Christians follow the 10 commandments from the OT because they are just as valid today in all societies as they were when they were given to the Jewish Prophet Moses. Jesus backed up these laws.
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01-20-2010, 05:24 PM
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-20-2010 03:04 PM)TruthWon Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 03:00 PM)biomystic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 11:39 AM)TruthWon Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 10:32 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(01-20-2010 05:11 AM)minus459 Wrote:  The old testament is the Hebrew bible and yet the fundamentalist Christians give more credence to this (in my opinion) than to the bible of Christ after whom their religion is named...

In my understanding, the OT provides the background, context, and general plausibility structures for the need, the purpose, and the character of the Messiah, who of course is written about in the NT.

Can you give a specific example of what OT passages are given more credence (in your opinion) than the NT?

If you take the summary of NT, you wont find anything, but if you take the summary of OT, you will find many laws, commandments, informative thing.
So its true, that with OT, Bible contains nothing, and also, all the prophecy mentioned in the OT, Jesus(pbuh) is not matching anywhere near.

So a bunch of ancient social laws are what's of value in the Old Testament while spiritual knowledge of the goodness and forgiveness of God found in the NT is not? Your opinion of what is of value shows the Muslim bias of needing a human authority figure to give them a Script for their lives telling them how to behave in society so they don't have to think on their own. They just have to read the Script and obey. Unfortunately, following the ancient Scripts, as most Jews have found out, does not teach appropriate behavior for modern democratic societies. Totalitarian control is no longer sought by societies that have experienced democracy's freedom. Christ overthrew the Mosaic Law's hold on Jews. Christianity doesn't teach a bunch of ancient social rules but only a willingness to forgive sins of people and a hope for a better life through serving one's fellow human beings. Christianity therefore was more open to the development of democracy. Judaism, becoming ever more secularly concerned has also dropped the Mosaic Law codes (some of which if followed as is would quickly land Jews in prison, e.g. stoning adulteresses and disobedient children). But Muslims have yet to learn that trying to impose ancient men's ideas on modern society doesn't work. God is on the side of democracy, not totalitarianism.

Sorry sir, but we are not discussing abuse here for any1, and your rude behaviour is just showing what you learn from NT.
Anyways, if you say that the laws of OT are not to be followed in current years, than why are Christians keeping the OT?
NT is not teaching any moral law, its infact bringing down and end of human society.

If you are asking for civilization is good becasue of NT, and in these days because of you, find out yourself, the crime rate of every kind is more in Christians countries, than in any Islamic country.

Lower crime rates are nothing to brag about when one learns that they always are lower in totalitarian societies where committing crimes receive hideous punishments, often without any legal protections afforded in those countries where Christianity is the majority religion. Crimes in the Soviet Union were far less than in Russia today, China's crime rate is much lower than the Western countries. When the populace is kept under rigid control of course criminal activity goes down but at what price to the overall freedoms of the individual in society?

Most crime is due to unequal distribution of societies wealth. More communistic societies have less crime and if you really want to see real Christian communities following the teachings of Jesus strictly, look at the Christian communitarians like the Mennonites or Amish and there you will not find hardly any crime whatsoever.
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01-21-2010, 12:09 AM (This post was last modified: 01-21-2010 12:12 AM by TruthWon.)
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-20-2010 04:16 PM)Phill Wrote:  For Truthwon. I can see that you have been severly brainwashed into thinking that the NT does not teach any moral laws. It also clearly shows you have never tried to understand the scriptures.
can you mention any1 of the moral law from NT which Christians are following?
(01-20-2010 04:16 PM)Phill Wrote:  As you know Jesus came to fullfill the law, not to abolish it. He also taught many other moral codes that relate to the old Law to make people understand it better than they did. When he resurected he told his apostles to go out unto the Gentiles of all nations to teach what he showed them.
He told gentiles what? Its true that Jesus said that he didnt came to abolish the laws, but how many christians are following the law? as per Christians, its not must to follow the law which Jesus ordered, specialy Protestant is totaly against those laws.
(01-20-2010 04:16 PM)Phill Wrote:  Christians follow the 10 commandments from the OT because they are just as valid today in all societies as they were when they were given to the Jewish Prophet Moses. Jesus backed up these laws.
Here you are totaly contradicting your fellow christian biomystic, who said that the laws in OT are not to be followed, and they are unhuman and un civilized. And its true also that no christian follow those laws at all.
Example, Christians are the biggest drinker of alcohol. christians ear pork always, christians do adultery fornication legaly etcetc and on and on.
So where's the point of following the laws?
(01-20-2010 05:24 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Lower crime rates are nothing to brag about when one learns that they always are lower in totalitarian societies where committing crimes receive hideous punishments, often without any legal protections afforded in those countries where Christianity is the majority religion. Crimes in the Soviet Union were far less than in Russia today, China's crime rate is much lower than the Western countries. When the populace is kept under rigid control of course criminal activity goes down but at what price to the overall freedoms of the individual in society?

Most crime is due to unequal distribution of societies wealth. More communistic societies have less crime and if you really want to see real Christian communities following the teachings of Jesus strictly, look at the Christian communitarians like the Mennonites or Amish and there you will not find hardly any crime whatsoever.

For example, Brazil,Mexico, Philipines are 1 of the biggest christian country in the world, and the crime rates are very high there. They are soo much blind followers, that many people do crucifixtion as well there. So where is your formula now that true followers of Jesus wont do crime?
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01-21-2010, 12:19 AM
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RE: Why do Christians believe the Hebrew Bible
(01-21-2010 12:09 AM)TruthWon Wrote:  For example, Brazil,Mexico, Philipines are 1 of the biggest christian country in the world, and the crime rates are very high there. They are soo much blind followers, that many people do crucifixtion as well there. So where is your formula now that true followers of Jesus wont do crime?

In the US, the Deep South 'Bible Belt' has horrendous crime problems, while the strongly fundamentalist MidWest has remarkably low crime rates that would be the envy of most of 'secular' Europe. Culture and environment are much more than just the label the predominant religion happens to wear.
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