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a question about jesus
05-15-2008, 08:48 PM
Post: #1
a question about jesus
Hey all, I have a few things Id like to ask

Taken that jesus was a real man, that he was alive once and the people still feel his power and awe at his sacrafice. He was a great man, but one of many messengers for the same cause. With respect

Did jesus have a choice?

Was he just a person that was before his time or one with greater understanding and educated beleifs. Could he speak other languages?

Are there other people that are remembered like jesus?

Which point in history are they remembered?

Why do we remember them?

What is modernity?

Jesus is famous now but would he want to be famous or be wealthy? Some say that only people who have nothing can say this.
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05-16-2008, 02:37 AM
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RE: a question about jesus
God and Jesus are one.

*Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not unto thine own understanding.
*Be not wise in thine own eyes, Fear the Lord and Depart from evil.
*In all thy ways acknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths.
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05-17-2008, 05:05 AM
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Hey, this is true. But if god and jesus are one, I fear that we as a species are heading towards an uncertain future. Look at the world and society today, it really isnt good place. There are many good people, and there bad people, and alot of bad things happen. Why dosent the world react to disaster and war, we all sit back and watch, happy in the understanding of our computers and television.

Well me for one, when I meet god, Im going to tell him how bad it is first, then I will have forever to tell him the good things.

the world youth wooden cross came through my capital city the other day, didn't go and have a look, but I caught it on the news. Interesting
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05-21-2008, 09:25 AM
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RE: a question about jesus
God and Jesus.

First, it must be considered from an aspect of logic, and then reason.

One: God and Jesus are distinguished as two seperate individuals, according to Biblical writings.

Two: Even Jesus declared: I came to do, not my will, but the will of the One who sent me.

Three: God is a title, and is not not God's name.

Who was Jesus--better yet, where is he now? Well, according to the Bible, God does not exist alone in heaven. He has invisible Spirit-Sons which He created, and Jesus was the first of God's creations. So Jesus existed in heaven as a powerful spirit creature, an Angel, before he willingly came to earth to exist as a human, and is now back in heaven, carrying out the work that God, his Father, gives him to do. (Herein lies the question of why Jesus willingly came here, and what purpose did Jesus' visit here serve?)

According to Jesus own words: "Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been." John 8:58

So Jesus existed milleniums before any other of God's creation.
His name is known in English as Jesus, but in Hebrew, his name is Je-hoshua or, in shorter form, Jeshua. When translated, these forms mean: Jehovah is Salvation. The further identifier, Christ, is taken from the Greek Khri-stos, which is the equivalent of the Hebrew: Ma-shi'ach (Messiah) or--Anointed (chosen) One.

To understand why this Angel would be chosen and would agree to come here to earth, considering the position he had in heaven, you first have to enter heaven and take a look around...before Adam and Eve, who lived on earth, gave birth to their first child. Seeing that the heavens is a busy place, where work occurs regularly (look at the universe), you will see a cherub who is being given a job. This cherub's task is to be overseer of the earth, and the job is given to him by none-other than the one we now know as Jesus. God gives Jesus the approval to select this cherub, laying out the ground rules of the limits of the cherub's responsibilities.

Once the cherub is given his duties, he comes to earth---and likes what he sees. In fact, he was present when the foundations of the earth were layed, and even applauded with his invisible spirit brothers after the earth was finished. But this cherub also has its own plans for this beautiful planet--he wants to rule it, so he devises a plan to get the first human pair to listen to and follow, his direction, and not Gods (read the Genesis account).

Because Adam and Eve had already been warned what would happen to them and their offspring if they did not follow God's direction, there was no excuse they could give after it was discovered by God what they had done. So they all three--Adam, Eve, and this cherub we now know as Satan, experienced the consequences of rebellion against God's right to govern His creation.

We are Adam and Eve's offspring. We inherited sickness and death from them because when they were removed out of the Garden of Eden that God had prepared for them, they had to work the unprepared, hard earth, on their own, and search for knowledge without God's assistance, or God keeping them alive--for this is what they wanted: independance from God. You are now feeling, and seeing, the effects of their choice.

But God said that He would correct the error committed in Eden by Adam, Eve, and Satan. In the Greek scriptures, the name ho'satanas applies to Satan the Devil, where Satan means (resister) and Devil means (opposer). This cherub is denoted as one who resists God's authority and opposes God's right to rule His own creation in the way God sees fit.

And most-importantly, God's name is commonly known in English as Jehovah, and means literally, "He Causes to Become"; the Hebrew rendering is Yaweh. In the oldest Hebrew manuscripts, Gods name is rendered as four letters or, the tetragrammaton: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20040122/article_01.htm
This unique name occurs 6,823 times in the Hebrew text (old testament).

The problems you are now seeing on earth were foretold by Jesus to occur (Matthew 24). But Jesus also declared that his death would free us from the bondage and enslavement to death that Adam and Eve sold us into. God's Kingdom, headed by His son Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is a real Kingdom Government. In fact, the Bible-writer Daniel was inspired to write about this government: " And in the days of those kings (our political rulers), the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush, and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite..." (Daniel 2:44) For more info, or a free Bible study, contact http://www.watchtower.org/
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08-23-2008, 08:21 AM
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George Wrote:Did jesus have a choice?
JEHOVAH sent one of his perfect spirit sons to the earth.
But Jehovah did not send just any spirit creature.
He sent the one most precious to him, his only-begotten Son. (1 John 4:9, 10) Willingly, this Son left his heavenly home. (Philippians 2:7)
The RANSOM is the most outstanding evidence of Jehovah’s love for us. It is also proof of Jesus’ love, for he willingly gave his life in our behalf. (John 15:13)
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08-23-2008, 11:04 PM (This post was last modified: 08-23-2008 11:25 PM by Question_It.)
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RE: a question about jesus
Asked by George: Did Jesus have a choice?


Question_It replies:

Yes, Jesus did have a choice. How do we know? Well, how can we deduce that any living, reasoning being has a choice? With humans, we know if the one, or many, has a choice by the way they react or behave in a given situation. For instance: death does not offer a choice for humans, or animals. We can't offer, as an exchange, any kind of payment that will prevent us from dying, hence we have no choice in the matter. The behavior of someone on their death-bead can be used as an example (for the most part, if a dying person had the choice of dying versus living, they will choose life, if presented with the option to choose). But they don't get to choose, so there is no bargaining or exchanges offered.

There is an event, however, that took place some time ago, that shows the behavior of one individual during a very telling moment, when they were approcahed by someone and presented with some select choices, where bargaining was done, if you will. The account is found in the book of Luke, where this Bible-writer chronicles the activities of a now well-known cherub who worked very hard to get Jesus of Nazareth to make a few unique, and interesting...choices (Luke 4:1-13).

The often-overlooked--or missed--point of this account in Luke is this: this particular spirit-creature, who approached Jesus, was attempting to get Jesus to make DIFFERENT choices CONTRARY to other (more beneficial) choices. And the caveat of the choices was the outcome! The first three chapters of Genesis reveals that Angels, as well as humans, have the freedom to make choices, and this can be seen by Adam and Eve's choice to listen to, and follow, the words of a rebel angel, instead of listening to and following God's instructions regarding the Tree of Knowledge and willing obedience to God's instructions.

As far as Jesus willingness to die for us and offer his life as the purchase-price for ours, we know Jesus had a choice because Satan worked hard to get Jesus to make other choices that would make Jesus' offer--his life as payment-- null and void. But Jesus chose, instead, to NOT listen to Satan. If Jesus had no choice in the matter, Satan would not have wasted the time to get Jesus to choose otherwise. And Luke 4:13 clearly reads that after Satan exhausted himself in his attempts to get Jesus to choose a different course, the scripture reads in verse 13: "So the Devil, having concluded all the temptation, retired from [Jesus] until another convenient time."

Why? Because Satan knew that ultimately, Jesus choice would have a decisive outcome--the caveat: Had Jesus listened to Satan as Adam and Eve had, thereby disobeying God, Jesus would not have been able to offer his life in behalf of ours because Jesus perfect life offering carried with it the opportunity for us to live forever WITHOUT dying--a person sentenced to death cannot use their life to save another person who is likewise sentenced to death (which is why Adam nor Eve could save us), but someone who is immortal can--and DID.

This is why Satan was working overtime to trip Jesus up. If Jesus had no choice in the matter of offering his life, Satan's efforts to get Jesus to disobey God's laws would not have made sense. Do you remember the answers Jesus gave to Satan each time Satan attempted to get Jesus to do something that would go against God's laws? Each time, Jesus emphasized that humans only survive IF and only IF they listen to and obey GOD--and no one else. (Luke 4:1-12)

Consider this: How much time would a doctor waste on a person who is dying by plying them with offers of money, wealth, and fame, even food, if that person would only agree to keep living? That dying person has NO CHOICE in the matter--they HAVE to die. So the doctor, or anyone else for that matter, would not make a fool of themselves in that instance and would not waste the time; likewise, if Jesus had no choice in the matter of presenting his own life as an offering, Satan would not have wasted the time offering Jesus the things Satan was offering: Satan wanted Jesus to make a DIFFERENT choice other than the choice Jesus had made in heaven: to willingly leave his position in heaven, lower himself and become human, and then CHOOSE to allow himself to be mistreated, spat on, beat, and other-ways abused and then-- ultimately killed-- and NO ONE forced Jesus to make that choice--he did it willingly--because he loves us.

How many parents do you know who have to be forced to exchange their lives so their children can live? Even I, an imperfect person who tends to make mistakes, will willingly give my life if it will mean that my child can live--and NO ONE will ever convince me to choose otherwise! Sadly, and to answer the first question, there are some humans who will put their lives above their own children and will let their children die instead of die for them...because these individuals have no natural love for their children. Sad to say--but it is true--and you know this.

You see, your question of whether or not Jesus had a choice failed to consider two important points. Paying attention to, and factoring in these two things, is the key to understanding WHY Jesus and his Father, God, willingly did what they did: The first of the two is eternal life (living forever without death's sting), compared to the quality of life we humans experience today; the second is the difference of love.

Adam and Eve were not only created perfect by God, but they were also created to live forever. For God clearly declares to these two humans that IF they eat from the Tree of Knowledge, THEN they will consequently die. So it stands to reason that had they not eaten from it, Adam and Eve would still be alive, and they would not have passed on death to their children.

Unfortunately they did not choose to obey God's direction and ate the fruit, so they passed on a genetic defect that now results in the death of their offspring--us. Since WE, literally, had no choice in the matter of our being born imperfect and dying, Jehovah God made a provision for Adam and Eve's unborn children, so that we could subsequently have the opportunity to personally choose to follow God's direction and live forever, or be independent from God, with death as the outcome.

IF Jehovah and Jesus did not love us, do you honestly think they would have put themsleves through what they have been through, even though the choices that resulted in our death were made by Adam, Eve, and a rebellious spirit creature who loves himself more? Jehovah God intervened to FIX what these three had broken, and Jesus is a willing participant in the solution.

Now, in these last days, all humans have the freedom to choose to either live by God's standards and laws, or choose the way of human independence. But since God created humankind as well as the planet we live on--even the heavens that contain our universe and the Angels-- doesn't it make sense that God has the RIGHT to make the laws for us to live by--and ONLY God has this right?

Whenever I am reminded of the many accomplishments of Adam and Eve's offspring (not so accomplished are we?), I am likewsie reminded that we only always arrive back at our original starting point--death, Of which WE did not have a choice, but Jesus did.

"I well know, oh Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23 New World Translation

You may follow this link to find out more about the person of Jesus and the work he is now doing on behalf of God's heavenly government, and what that government will soon do for humans and our planet:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/dg/article_08.htm
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08-24-2008, 08:21 AM
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Question_It Wrote:Asked by George: Jehovah God intervened to FIX what these three had broken, and Jesus is a willing participant in the solution.


http://www.watchtower.org/e/dg/article_08.htm
yes that really is what the bible teaches ,and its all to do with the RANSOM .

and i must say that it is good to hear wise words from the truth of the bible from you .

that great crowd keeps on getting bigger and that voice keeps on getting louder revelation 7;9-10Smile

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18


may has tasted and it is VERYGOOD Big Grin
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10-10-2008, 01:31 PM
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blacktip shark is the second documented case of a female shark becoming pregnant without the aid of a male shark.

Does this help support bible?
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11-14-2008, 07:22 PM
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'Could he speak other languages?'

He was God. He could do whatever he felt like.
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11-18-2008, 04:32 PM (This post was last modified: 11-18-2008 04:33 PM by The Grey Pilgrim.)
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George Wrote:Hey all, I have a few things Id like to ask

Taken that jesus was a real man, that he was alive once and the people still feel his power and awe at his sacrafice. He was a great man, but one of many messengers for the same cause. With respect

Did jesus have a choice?

Was he just a person that was before his time or one with greater understanding and educated beleifs. Could he speak other languages?

Are there other people that are remembered like jesus?

Which point in history are they remembered?

Why do we remember them?

What is modernity?

Jesus is famous now but would he want to be famous or be wealthy? Some say that only people who have nothing can say this.

The man we call Jesus of Nazareth was and is the incarnation of God. God revealed in the gospel of Matthew(chpt 28) that God in His innermost being is not singular but a family: He is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is His name, not simply His titles.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was not made, he was begotten. Jesus is co-eternal with the Father and the Spirit. Jesus was "the imprint of His very being."

Jesus is not one of the other angels. That which through the angels were created is obviously greater than the angels themselves.

The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct "persons" but they are not different individuals. God the Father is pure Spirit from which all creation came to be. Jesus is God's only Word through which all creation came to be. The Holy Spirit is God's holy breath in which everything came to be.

Where ever the Father is, there is also the Son and the Spirit. Where ever the Son is, there is also the Father and the Spirit. Where ever the Spirit is, there also is the Father and the Son.

Could Jesus have said no? Yes. But His will was so attuned to the will of the Father that He never would have.

Jesus came here to do more than to merely ransom humanity. Buy the very act of God becoming flesh Jesus sanctified and redeemed the physical world. By dying on the cross Jesus elevated humanity far beyond anything which it could achieve on its own. Jesus didn't just save us from something, He saved us for something.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing..."-Darth Vader
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