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heaven? probably not.
07-27-2010, 11:01 PM
Post: #1
Rolleyes heaven? probably not.
I don't know. I just have pretty extreme doubts that I'm going to heaven. I believe in God (I'm a Christian), but don't make it to church much. I ask God for forgiveness but then continue to sin. I know us people are "in bondage to sin, and cannot free ourselves", but I just feel like an [censored] to God. I do bad things, like porn, drugs, excessive swearing, disobeying parents, being rude to people, etc etc. Since I'm a teenager, I know some of that stuff is natural (or at least expected). But I still see myself, as a person, quite frankly a worthless [censored]. Waving Goodbye

Obviously, I don't actually know if I'm going to heaven or hell, but I just feel like I'd be more likely to go to hell. I don't know if I'm going to die and God will say, "it's fine dude, after all, I told you that you humans were bound to sin. you asked for forgiveness, and you believed in me, so you're welcome here in heaven" or "you hypocrite, asked for my forgiveness and then kept sinning. go to hell and never talk to me again". Praying

I suppose I can always pray to God for comfort.

Hmm, any opinions?
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07-28-2010, 01:39 AM
Post: #2
RE: heaven? probably not.
Point is: what's the point of going to heaven if you can't do fun things?
If you're going to hell for doing this stuff, so is half the male population of America. Well, part of the female too, I guess.

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07-28-2010, 08:33 AM
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RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-27-2010 11:01 PM)frank71 Wrote:  ...I do bad things, like porn, drugs, excessive swearing, disobeying parents, being rude to people, etc etc...

Sounds like you need to stop worrying about heaven or hell. What you need to do is stop destroying your life right now. You probably won't be able to change much on your own, so try to connect with some people who might be able to help you. YMCA, church youth group, or something that can help you avoid throwing your life down the toilet.

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07-28-2010, 08:43 AM
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RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-28-2010 01:39 AM)vociferous Wrote:  Point is: what's the point of going to heaven if you can't do fun things?
If you're going to hell for doing this stuff, so is half the male population of America. Well, part of the female too, I guess.

how about folks wearing designer genes?
where are they going?

shopping?

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07-28-2010, 08:50 AM
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RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-28-2010 08:33 AM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(07-27-2010 11:01 PM)frank71 Wrote:  ...I do bad things, like porn, drugs, excessive swearing, disobeying parents, being rude to people, etc etc...

Sounds like you need to stop worrying about heaven or hell. What you need to do is stop destroying your life right now. You probably won't be able to change much on your own, so try to connect with some people who might be able to help you. YMCA, church youth group, or something that can help you avoid throwing your life down the toilet.

While I'm not a "traditional" Christian, (and I do not believe in a "hell") I like Stereophonics idea of connecting with groups who might be able to help put you on a different path. Obviously, the path you're on is not helpful, nor healthy. It will be difficult to walk away from existing "friends" and relationships, but in the long run, you will be happier for it.

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07-28-2010, 09:43 AM (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010 10:00 AM by IMtM.)
Post: #6
RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-27-2010 11:01 PM)frank71 Wrote:  I don't know. I just have pretty extreme doubts that I'm going to heaven. I believe in God (I'm a Christian), but don't make it to church much. I ask God for forgiveness but then continue to sin. I know us people are "in bondage to sin, and cannot free ourselves", but I just feel like an [censored] to God. I do bad things, like porn, drugs, excessive swearing, disobeying parents, being rude to people, etc etc. Since I'm a teenager, I know some of that stuff is natural (or at least expected). But I still see myself, as a person, quite frankly a worthless [censored]. Waving Goodbye

Obviously, I don't actually know if I'm going to heaven or hell, but I just feel like I'd be more likely to go to hell. I don't know if I'm going to die and God will say, "it's fine dude, after all, I told you that you humans were bound to sin. you asked for forgiveness, and you believed in me, so you're welcome here in heaven" or "you hypocrite, asked for my forgiveness and then kept sinning. go to hell and never talk to me again". Praying

I suppose I can always pray to God for comfort.

Hmm, any opinions?
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07-28-2010, 02:41 PM
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RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-28-2010 01:39 AM)vociferous Wrote:  Point is: what's the point of going to heaven if you can't do fun things?
If you're going to hell for doing this stuff, so is half the male population of America. Well, part of the female too, I guess.

Dont be sexist. Women can be just as "bad" as men. Women like porn, and drugs, and sex, and masturbation just as much as men. Get over it.
And there are even sins that I think women do much better, like telling lies, coveting. We are just a sinful and delicious as you are. buddy.

Oh and as far as going to hell, I though god was like, all forgiving. I think as long as you repent your safe. But, I have no plants on repenting.
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07-28-2010, 02:51 PM (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010 02:54 PM by vociferous.)
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RE: heaven? probably not.
Yes, but in general statistics, women (they may be lying), have reported masturbation less often than men. Same with watching pornography.
Drugs suck for both genders, although men are (I think) more likely to develop addictions than women.
It's not some sexist stereotype. It may be statistical bias, but it isn't some chauvinist remark.

I'll probably decide on my deathbed to repent for all major religions, just to cover myself in case there is a God and I pissed him off. That way I don't have to suffer with ascestism and get a Get Out of Jail Free card.

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07-28-2010, 02:58 PM (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010 02:59 PM by IMtM.)
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RE: heaven? probably not.
(07-28-2010 02:51 PM)vociferous Wrote:  Yes, but in general statistics, women (they may be lying), have reported masturbation less often than men. Same with watching pornography.
Drugs suck for both genders, although men are (I think) more likely to develop addictions than women.
It's not some sexist stereotype. It may be statistical bias, but it isn't some chauvinist remark.

I'll probably decide on my deathbed to repent for all major religions, just to cover myself in case there is a God and I pissed him off. That way I don't have to suffer with ascestism and get a Get Out of Jail Free card.
What do foibles of past history tell you? They tell you to: shut the [censored] up. Case closed, do not pass go, do not collect that $200. Sorry....
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07-28-2010, 04:01 PM (This post was last modified: 07-28-2010 04:01 PM by vociferous.)
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RE: heaven? probably not.
Just guessing on past experience on this forum.
What are you talking about?

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