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what are your political beliefs?
07-15-2013, 11:00 AM
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what are your political beliefs?
I'd like to talk about politics if any one feels like it.

What are your political beliefs?
Why do you hold those beliefs?
Are you Right, Left, or some where in between?

If you where a politician what would your goal or agenda be?


I am a very far Left Socialist who can't stand capitalism.
I believe that liberty and equality should be the right of all people and I feel capitilism is built upon greed and only greed therefore I am socialist.

If I where a Politician it would be my goal to Socialize the U.S. and to fend off the evils of the capitalist on Wall-street.

"Hidden underneath the stoned cold surface of every Pious Person lays buried a Kinky Pervert, Stop bringing shovels, Where not digging!"-Azrael
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07-15-2013, 11:18 AM
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RE: what are your political beliefs?
And did the Native Americans deserve liberty and equality? Should that be restored?
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07-15-2013, 11:32 AM
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(07-15-2013 11:18 AM)Alison2 Wrote:  And did the Native Americans deserve liberty and equality? Should that be restored?

I am 1/4th Native American which isn't much but I still feel my ancestors where treatly very badly. I think nothing we could do can make up for the injustice we did to them but in the present and future we need to attempt to be more fair. I mean paying them money or giving them land is not going to bring the dead back. We should ensure nothing like that is ever done by Americans ever again. While I think we need imigration reform I also feel we can't mistreat them either. I would like to thin that in our current soceity Native Americans do have liberty and equality.

If your asking if we should give the country back to them I would have to say that would be pointless and achive nothing and where would all the americans go?

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07-15-2013, 12:16 PM
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I just wanted to make sure that your enthusiasm for making our nation better includes lessons learned, from the beginning.

Immigration reform is a much needed reform. We have a process, but it isn't enforced or rewarded. Those who go through the process legally - it takes ten years. Ten. Those who don't go through it legally have access to programs that my tax dollars pay for. I'm all for helping those in need, but I think there needs to be better oversight.

Which leads me back to clearing out DC and reforming the government and legislature.

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07-15-2013, 05:47 PM
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If I was to square myself somewhere on the left-right spectrum I'd be sort of a centrist, maybe a little left-leaning. I was very much a Democrat in spirit growing up as a young man, but I never supported abortion (other than for health or such times when it is necessary) and the Democratic party supports it. It's just, the years between 2008 and 2012 were dominated by the Tea Party on the Republican side. And I really grew to dislike those folks. It was good getting to know that not all Republicans are that way by 2012 when Jon Huntsman tried running for presidency. He's a centrist and a very smart and progressive Republican who doesn't like the Tea Party just like me, and was willing to work with Democrats too. Obama's administration later said, once the election was over, that the only Republican they were sort of afraid of, was Mr. Huntsman: that if the Republicans had chosen Mr. Huntsman, Mr. Obama would actually have quite a challenge to go against. Everyone else (as we know well) was actually rather weak, ranging from all the Tea Party folks like Perry and Bachman, to Cain and Gingrich and Santorum, and also Romney, and even Mr. Paul (even though I did sympathize with his Libertarianism a lot). The Republicans would never have chosen Mr. Huntsman, but if they had and if all the Republicans had rallied around him, there would most certainly be Independents and even Democrats rallying for him, and I think that's something Obama realized. It's just sad that the GOP wasn't progressive enough in 2012 and still has some progress to make.

You may know that other than the left-right axis there is another axis, the so-called "Libertarian-Populist" or "Libertarian-Authoritarian" axis. On that axis, I'm very much a Libertarian, although I still have concerns about how "free" people should be if their "freedom" will directly stigmatize or otherwise provide uncomfortable experience for others who also want to be "free". Besides that though, I feel the Constitution is fundamentally Libertarian, and even Mormonism began as fundamentally Libertarian under Joseph Smith.

I have sympathized with Communism before, and less so with Capitalism, but I am very much bothered by classical Marxism's adamant anti-clericalism and authoritarianism and violent desire for revolution. For this reason I no longer sympathize with Marxism but instead with classical Christian Communalism, as practiced by the early Christians for example, or by the Anabaptist Hutterites. Early Mormons were also Communalistic.

I also favor the Progressivism of the early 20th century that promoted the right for everyone to have a right to things like health and education, which in turn would require taxing and so forth in a Capitalist society. I do indeed believe people should have such rights: some Capitalists believe only life and liberty and pursuit of happiness are your rights, and this is how they developed their late-19th century monopolies complete with abuse of workers and unfair competition against other companies. So there need to be regulations, and the state should provide them, and I believe modern USA is actually rather decent: I neither am passionately in patriotic love with it nor cynically murmuring about how terrible it is.
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07-15-2013, 08:57 PM
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I am an anarchist (not in the angry 15 year old sense) and I think all politicians are germs.

He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how. - Nietzsche
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07-15-2013, 09:04 PM
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(07-15-2013 08:57 PM)Flipper Wrote:  I am an anarchist (not in the angry 15 year old sense) and I think all politicians are germs.

How would you define Anarchy?

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07-15-2013, 09:33 PM
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(07-15-2013 09:04 PM)Azrael17 Wrote:  
(07-15-2013 08:57 PM)Flipper Wrote:  I am an anarchist (not in the angry 15 year old sense) and I think all politicians are germs.

How would you define Anarchy?

This pretty much sums it up

Quote:[It is] against social and economic hierarchy, as well as inequality – and specifically, capitalism, landlordism and the state – and in favour of an international class struggle and revolution from below by a self-organised working class and peasantry, in order to create a self-managed, socialist and stateless social order.

In this new order, individual freedom would be harmonised with communal obligations through cooperation, democratic decision making and social and economic equality, and economic coordination would take place through federal forms.

from Michael Schmidt and Lucien van der Walt, Black Flame: The Revolutionary Class Politics of Anarchism and Syndicalism.

He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how. - Nietzsche
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07-15-2013, 10:09 PM (This post was last modified: 07-15-2013 10:09 PM by rocketboy9000.)
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RE: what are your political beliefs?
I am... well... really no political party or named position has all of the things I want, so I'll just list my positions on a number of issues: ( red dot for more liberal or socialist positions, blue dot for more conservative or capitalist positions, purple for I'm not sure.)
Social Issues
On marriage, I think either it should be open to any two humans who can legally contract, or it should have no legal meaning whatsoever, and be left as a social/religious ceremony.
On healthcare, I think universal healthcare needs to be kept safe by putting it into the Constitution.
On immigration, I think we should remain very open, but we should be more restrictive on allowing dual citizenships, because this leads to problems of jurisdictions.
On unions, in my experience in recent times they have often been more a method of hiking the salaries of certain professions, than a method of preventing poor work conditions. So I think in some cases breaking a union and hiring scabs, or simply outlawing it, is the correct action.
Economic Issues
Income taxes should be progressive and high, in order to fund social services. Corporate taxes should be by industry, depending on the externalized costs created by the industry.
The banking industry among others should remain well-regulated. We saw how well the deregulation went in the United States - banks cannot be left to their own devices without central control to provide a sanity check.
Foreign Policy
We should not maintain a high level of diplomatic relations with any state whose main ideology is opposed to the Canadian human rights code or to the Canadian way of life.
We should not participate in wars of aggression unless the war is to prevent a large-scale violation of human rights.
I'll add more later if I think of any.
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07-15-2013, 11:22 PM
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RE: what are your political beliefs?
(07-15-2013 10:09 PM)rocketboy9000 Wrote:   Income taxes should be progressive and high, in order to fund social services. Corporate taxes should be by industry, depending on the externalized costs created by the industry.

Interesting thought on taxation being tied to externality cost, are you thinking an income tax or a value added type tax related to certain industrial activities?

I'm of the viewpoint that I'd be in support of high top marginal rates but only if income average over a several year period is implemented. I know some good friends who have been burned by high tax rates because they made a large amount of income in one year (commission for a deal which actually involved several years of work), after 4+ years of having zero or negative income.

Carry forward losses etc. are allowed for capital gains (at least in USA) but not for income that results from work.
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