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03-24-2010, 04:31 PM
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what would....
.......life be like on this planet , without religion - example......the word GOD had never been mentioned , never even thought of . would we be satisfied with the answers we are given from scientists today or not . do you think we would or even could start thinking about the existance of a higher being/creator .
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03-24-2010, 05:04 PM
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Science can answer some of the "how" questions, but it can't answer the "why" questions.

Humans need to know "why" and therefore humans need God.

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03-24-2010, 05:12 PM
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(03-24-2010 05:04 PM)Stereophonic Wrote:  Science can answer some of the "how" questions, but it can't answer the "why" questions.

Humans need to know "why" and therefore humans need God.
totaly agree , but would we start thinking of a higher being , remember there would be no bible , no religion . do you think our thought patterns would change , how we perseve our selves and the universe .
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03-24-2010, 06:52 PM
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It would be at least a start in freeing ourselves from the divisive sectarian shackles our current species is held in. Let's not shy away from the fact that the current war in America IS against Islam, India and Pakistan fighting over Kashmir IS a religious fight, Palestine and Israel ARE fighting over religion, and the problems in Ireland ARE between Protestants and Catholics. It's so infantile to claim your religion as the "right" one. The thing is, that's what everyone thinks and you can't all be right. Islam is as much to blame as Christianity, is as much to blame as Catholicism, is as much to blame as Moronism, sorry I mean Mormonism, is as much to blame as Judaism, etc., etc. We have evolved to a point in history where we have outgrown the utility of religion.

We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake
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03-24-2010, 08:32 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2010 08:34 PM by Stereophonic.)
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(03-24-2010 05:12 PM)hillbilly Wrote:  ...would we start thinking of a higher being...

Given the fact that I believe we are made in God's image, and given the fact that we are finite beings with an awareness of the infinite, yes we would have some conception of a Higher Being.

Moreover, given the fact that this Higher Being is a Being of Love Relationship, I doubt God would forever keep himself hidden from his creatures who are made in his own image.
(03-24-2010 06:52 PM)Secular Hobbit Wrote:  ...We have evolved to a point in history where we have outgrown the utility of religion.

More people were killed as a result of atheism in the 20th century than in all of the so-called "religious wars" of the previous 19 centuries combined.

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03-24-2010, 08:44 PM (This post was last modified: 03-24-2010 08:51 PM by hillbilly.)
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(03-24-2010 06:52 PM)Secular Hobbit Wrote:  It would be at least a start in freeing ourselves from the divisive sectarian shackles our current species is held in. Let's not shy away from the fact that the current war in America IS against Islam, India and Pakistan fighting over Kashmir IS a religious fight, Palestine and Israel ARE fighting over religion, and the problems in Ireland ARE between Protestants and Catholics. It's so infantile to claim your religion as the "right" one. The thing is, that's what everyone thinks and you can't all be right. Islam is as much to blame as Christianity, is as much to blame as Catholicism, is as much to blame as Moronism, sorry I mean Mormonism, is as much to blame as Judaism, etc., etc. We have evolved to a point in history where we have outgrown the utility of religion.
you cant blame religion for war , there is not a book that tells we must go to war for our faith in what ever god/religion we have belief in .
(03-24-2010 08:32 PM)Stereophonic Wrote:  
(03-24-2010 05:12 PM)hillbilly Wrote:  ...would we start thinking of a higher being...

Given the fact that I believe we are made in God's image, and given the fact that we are finite beings with an awareness of the infinite, yes we would have some conception of a Higher Being.

Moreover, given the fact that this Higher Being is a Being of Love Relationship, I doubt God would forever keep himself hidden from his creatures who are made in his own image.
(03-24-2010 06:52 PM)Secular Hobbit Wrote:  ...We have evolved to a point in history where we have outgrown the utility of religion.

More people were killed as a result of atheism in the 20th century than in all of the so-called "religious wars" of the previous 19 centuries combined.
stereo , not if were not given that awarness that there was a higher being , whether that person was/is full of love . how would we takle our own existance and the universe . do think the planet would be in the state that it is .
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03-24-2010, 08:58 PM
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Quote:It's so infantile to claim your religion as the "right" one. The thing is, that's what everyone thinks and you can't all be right.

Except not all religions believe this.

Abrahamic religions may be the most common as far as population, but they are not all religions. I'm seriously going to start counting.

As for the original question --

Quote:would we be satisfied with the answers we are given from scientists today or not .would we be satisfied with the answers we are given from scientists today or not .

No one should ever be satisfied. That's not the point of science. The point is not to reach Kantian objective truth and stop, it's to constantly retry and retest and experiment. Being satisfied, whether it be with religious answers or scientific answers is just wrong, and against human nature.
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03-24-2010, 09:36 PM
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(03-24-2010 08:44 PM)hillbilly Wrote:  ...if were not given that awarness that there was a higher being , whether that person was/is full of love . how would we takle our own existance and the universe . do think the planet would be in the state that it is .

We would have two options:

1) We would have to grope our way through the darkness in order to come up with our own idea of a loving God--which would be difficult by any standard, and is still difficult for many today, despite the messages spoken to us by God through the prophets and most eloquently in the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

... or ...

2) We would fall into the nihilism and despair that atheism offers to those atheists who are willing to follow their chosen path through to its logical conclusion.

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03-24-2010, 09:40 PM
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Quote:2) We would fall into the nihilism and despair that atheism offers to those atheists who are willing to follow their chosen path through to its logical conclusion.

Why do you think atheism must lead to nihilism and despair? I just don't understand this premise.

I certainly wasn't nihilistic or depressed during my time as an atheist.
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03-25-2010, 04:43 AM (This post was last modified: 03-25-2010 04:44 AM by Stereophonic.)
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Given the materialist nature of atheism, there can be no free will, no moral accountability, no ultimate difference between good and evil, nothing noble or base, and nothing in life that really matters for anything.

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