(02-08-2010 11:31 PM)itsnotme Wrote:  

Quote:Wiser men than me warned me not to argue with true believers. If you believe in all that Adam and Eve and the Fall of man religious propaganda posing as history of human beings, God help you. I don't. I majored in anthropology and larned more better.

Well the bible and science agree with this, that death is what it seems, just non existence. The bible and science get along just fine, but scienctists and the bible have some problems.

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biomystic
What do you do your work in?
Are you interested in different religions?

What do I do my work in? Social change.

Am I interested in different religions? To the extent they have impacted my Christian religious beliefs. I never was a seeker if that's what you mean. I had an anthropologist mindset about religions and had a cursory knowledge of the major religions up unto the age 35. But I never had sought God and it came as a complete surprise to me when God came to me, an atheist who had actually found Christianity to be a most morbid religion and of little interest to me except as something to ridicule like many atheists do. But God had other ideas and put me through a three day crash course in God's spiritual reality and why the Spirit of Christ was sent into the world.

Itsnotjustyou itsnotme but why do you and so many others quote as your definitive source a collection of books compiled by the Catholic church (sometimes with variations) some 1700 yrs ago?

Quote:What do I do my work in? Social change.

Am I interested in different religions? To the extent they have impacted my Christian religious beliefs. I never was a seeker if that's what you mean. I had an anthropologist mindset about religions and had a cursory knowledge of the major religions up unto the age 35. But I never had sought God and it came as a complete surprise to me when God came to me, an atheist who had actually found Christianity to be a most morbid religion and of little interest to me except as something to ridicule like many atheists do. But God had other ideas and put me through a three day crash course in God's spiritual reality and why the Spirit of Christ was sent into the world.

Well , I guess I can understand that, I never was interested in religion either.
My trust came from trying to prove the bible wrong, and finding out the the bible makes sense. Nothing else does.

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Quote:Itsnotjustyou itsnotme but why do you and so many others quote as your definitive source a collection of books compiled by the Catholic church (sometimes with variations) some 1700 yrs ago?

because of the harmony of the scriptures. Because the first prophecy( Genesis 3:15) in the bible is fulfilled in Revelation. The bible has a theme is sticks to that through out the bible.So it is not just a collection, of writings, it is a unified collection of writings. And becasue it was written for our day. It is about the people at that time, but is for the people of today. I don't think it was just man collecting these books,I think they were guided, to complete the bible.

(02-09-2010 10:54 AM)itsnotme Wrote:  

Quote:What do I do my work in? Social change.

Am I interested in different religions? To the extent they have impacted my Christian religious beliefs. I never was a seeker if that's what you mean. I had an anthropologist mindset about religions and had a cursory knowledge of the major religions up unto the age 35. But I never had sought God and it came as a complete surprise to me when God came to me, an atheist who had actually found Christianity to be a most morbid religion and of little interest to me except as something to ridicule like many atheists do. But God had other ideas and put me through a three day crash course in God's spiritual reality and why the Spirit of Christ was sent into the world.

Well , I guess I can understand that, I never was interested in religion either.
My trust came from trying to prove the bible wrong, and finding out the the bible makes sense. Nothing else does.

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Quote:Itsnotjustyou itsnotme but why do you and so many others quote as your definitive source a collection of books compiled by the Catholic church (sometimes with variations) some 1700 yrs ago?

because of the harmony of the scriptures. Because the first prophecy( Genesis 3:15) in the bible is fulfilled in Revelation. The bible has a theme is sticks to that through out the bible.So it is not just a collection, of writings, it is a unified collection of writings. And becasue it was written for our day. It is about the people at that time, but is for the people of today. I don't think it was just man collecting these books,I think they were guided, to complete the bible.

So a "prophecy" written in one book is fulfilled by the writings in another book. Wow, But anyway how did whoever creating animosity between a man and a woman turn into a prophecy. Just par for the course in my world, but we get over it.

Quote:So a "prophecy" written in one book is fulfilled by the writings in another book. Wow, But anyway how did whoever creating animosity between a man and a woman turn into a prophecy. Just par for the course in my world, but we get over it.

That is why the bible could not be just from man. The bible is one complete book, written over a 1500 year period.
And the prophecy is not about a man and a woman.

life after death ........NO

we are not aware of anything as the bible informs us

(Ec 9:5, 10; Ps 146:4)


For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten Ec 9;5


 His spirit (Or, “His breath.” )
goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish....psalm 146;4

(02-17-2010 04:44 AM)may Wrote:  life after death ........NO

we are not aware of anything as the bible informs us

(Ec 9:5, 10; Ps 146:4)


For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten Ec 9;5


 His spirit (Or, “His breath.” )
goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish....psalm 146;4

Can't sell that mistaken idea to anyone who has had a near-death-experience.

(02-17-2010 11:04 PM)biomystic Wrote:  

(02-17-2010 04:44 AM)may Wrote:  life after death ........NO

we are not aware of anything as the bible informs us

(Ec 9:5, 10; Ps 146:4)


For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten Ec 9;5


 His spirit (Or, “His breath.” )
goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish....psalm 146;4

Can't sell that mistaken idea to anyone who has had a near-death-experience.

Is there a medical explanation for any of these experiences?


The medical editor of The Arizona Republic wrote: When physical prowess is at its lowest ebb, as under anesthesia, or the result of disease or injury, automatic control of bodily functions diminishes accordingly.

Thus, the neurohormones and catecholamines of the nervous system are released and pour out in uncontrolled quantity.

The result, among other manifestations, is the hallucination, rationalized after returning to consciousness, of having died and returned to life.”May 28, 1977, p. C-1; also the German medical journal Fortschritte der Medizin, No. 41, 1979; Psychology Today, January 1981.

30yr old medical evidence is a quantum leap (in english:admittedly quotemined) from bibleese language from 2000yrs ago.
you go girl

we are re-born onto this planet again .