Defining God

[biomystic]

(02-24-2010 04:43 PM)Mr Cheese Wrote:  If I were to say ‘I know God’, I would be a liar.
God is beyond comprehension.
Better to be silent and live in humility.
If I were to say, ‘I do not know God’, I would also be a liar.

— Jean-Yves Leloup

“Unknowingly we voyage in a labyrinth, a macrodimensional maze of
living electrical force, cloaked by a thick layer of ordinary life.
Our most serious obstacle is the uncontrollable urge to convert
everything to the familiar, to reduce it all to the level of the
primate brain; to reject the living, breathing reality of the
totality of all possible attention.”

- E.J. Gold

“He Who Is is ineffable. No principle knew him, no authority, no subjection, nor any creature from the foundation of the world until now, except he alone, and anyone to whom he wants to make revelation through him who is from First Light. From now on, I am the Great Savior. For he is immortal and eternal. Now he is eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. Since no one rules over him, he has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another.”

–The Sophia of Jesus Christ

The old Gnostics didn't know what God was anymore than the Jews before them. They didn't understand the Son of Man tradition wherein the spiritual/material relationship of God to humanity was literally personified in Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Humanity reveals the Son of Man knowledge Jesus could not explain to the ancient Jewish mindset that believed as you post, that God was so alien to human beings as to be totally incomprehensible--which of course made each and every Scripture about God and God's will written by people who had no real idea of what they were talking about.

[Mr Cheese]

(02-25-2010 09:03 AM)biomystic Wrote:  The old Gnostics didn't know what God was anymore than the Jews before them. They didn't understand the Son of Man tradition wherein the spiritual/material relationship of God to humanity was literally personified in Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Humanity reveals the Son of Man knowledge Jesus could not explain to the ancient Jewish mindset that believed as you post, that God was so alien to human beings as to be totally incomprehensible--which of course made each and every Scripture about God and God's will written by people who had no real idea of what they were talking about.

Perhaps you didn't read this:

If I were to say ‘I know God’, I would be a liar.
God is beyond comprehension.
Better to be silent and live in humility.
If I were to say, ‘I do not know God’, I would also be a liar.

— Jean-Yves Leloup

In other words though, you are saying to know God....
Ignore everythign anyone has written for the past 5 to 10,000 years

and JUST read what YOU wrote (the Gospel of humanity)..because you wrote it, and it is great, and everything written prior is wrong, and all those people over that 10,000 yr period, all wrong...everyone of them, and only NOW can you potray Jesus' true message...

Exsqueeze me if I don't read it, because frankly I find such a stance appaling to be VERY polite...

..........................

Without taking a step outdoors
You know the whole world;
Without taking a peep out the window
You know the colour of the sky.

The more you experience,
The less you know.
The sage wanders without knowing,
Looks without seeing,
Accomplishes without acting.

--Tao te Chin

[biomystic]

(02-25-2010 09:22 AM)Mr Cheese Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 09:03 AM)biomystic Wrote:  The old Gnostics didn't know what God was anymore than the Jews before them. They didn't understand the Son of Man tradition wherein the spiritual/material relationship of God to humanity was literally personified in Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Humanity reveals the Son of Man knowledge Jesus could not explain to the ancient Jewish mindset that believed as you post, that God was so alien to human beings as to be totally incomprehensible--which of course made each and every Scripture about God and God's will written by people who had no real idea of what they were talking about.

Perhaps you didn't read this:

If I were to say ‘I know God’, I would be a liar.
God is beyond comprehension.
Better to be silent and live in humility.
If I were to say, ‘I do not know God’, I would also be a liar.

— Jean-Yves Leloup

In other words though, you are saying to know God....
Ignore everythign anyone has written for the past 5 to 10,000 years

and JUST read what YOU wrote (the Gospel of humanity)..because you wrote it, and it is great, and everything written prior is wrong, and all those people over that 10,000 yr period, all wrong...everyone of them, and only NOW can you potray Jesus' true message...

Exsqueeze me if I don't read it, because frankly I find such a stance appaling to be VERY polite...

..........................

Without taking a step outdoors
You know the whole world;
Without taking a peep out the window
You know the colour of the sky.

The more you experience,
The less you know.
The sage wanders without knowing,
Looks without seeing,
Accomplishes without acting.

--Tao te Chin

Cut-n-pasting other people's ideas is not gnosis of God. My post above was in direct response to the lack of knowledge of God that your sources show.

[Mr Cheese]

(02-25-2010 04:49 PM)biomystic Wrote:  ]

Cut-n-pasting other people's ideas is not gnosis of God. My post above was in direct response to the lack of knowledge of God that your sources show.

I never said it was "Gnosis of God".... because I never would, Gnosis is something one must experience.

You still fail to address the fact that you proclaim that:

Everything prior to your writings, from the past 5-10,000 years is wrong

All we need to do is read your website. No Christian for the past 2000 years has understood Jesus, until you.

Yes, you read that right, all we need to do is forget everything, and read your website and book.

Do you not see that such claims are exactly the kind of claims that mad men make?

[Raphael]

(02-26-2010 09:30 AM)Mr Cheese Wrote:  You still fail to address the fact that you proclaim that:

Everything prior to your writings, from the past 5-10,000 years is wrong

All we need to do is read your website. No Christian for the past 2000 years has understood Jesus, until you.

Yes, you read that right, all we need to do is forget everything, and read your website and book.

Do you not see that such claims are exactly the kind of claims that mad men make?

I have the same problem with the bible babblers...they select only the crap they feel fits their THEORY called jeSuS, and they selectively ignore anything that does not fit their inane narrative....

try to get them to admit their superstar called jeSuS who was crafted to increase market share is only a THEORY...
NOT ONE EYEWITNESS was ever quoted who saw jeSuS in the flesh.
NOT ONE!!!!
NO physical evidence exists.
jeSuS is thus only a THEORY supported by only circumstantial evidence.
NOT enough for a case I am afraid...NEVER EVER WILL BE...bible babblers.

These are only stories embedded with a higher archetypal wisdom, created by the telephone game.
Long before the telephone was even invented...we were playing the telephone game.
Passing on information to help us survive, embedded in the stories, the narratives.

The wireless telephone game before cell phones..it was called the oral traditions.
We used the same 9 numbers.
Sometimes 12 glyphs were used.

1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
* 0 #

namaste

[X_The Todd_X]

can you KNOW something that is incomprehensible? i mean, really know it. and is this really "knowledge" or just a feeling? but of course feelings can be misleading, an example would be the phantom limb or an amputee. Your leg feels like its there, but it isn't... and your mind is just messing with you.

could this feeling possibly be a hope or desire to "know"? But then is it really absolute knowledge? no...

The simple answer to this question is that IF... there is a thing that could be considered "god"... it is so massive, so amazing and great, that our minds could not hope to begin to explain its existence. and to try is nothing more than to waste your energy because it is pointless to define. because something so great would mean we, as humans, are insignificant to the point that it wouldn't matter what we do, believe, hope or think.

then... what is the point of living? if such a being exists?

The Todd

[4peace]

GOD is the one i trust

[kevlar]

(02-27-2010 02:42 AM)X_The Todd_X Wrote:  can you KNOW something that is incomprehensible? i mean, really know it. and is this really "knowledge" or just a feeling? but of course feelings can be misleading, an example would be the phantom limb or an amputee. Your leg feels like its there, but it isn't... and your mind is just messing with you.

could this feeling possibly be a hope or desire to "know"? But then is it really absolute knowledge? no...

The simple answer to this question is that IF... there is a thing that could be considered "god"... it is so massive, so amazing and great, that our minds could not hope to begin to explain its existence. and to try is nothing more than to waste your energy because it is pointless to define. because something so great would mean we, as humans, are insignificant to the point that it wouldn't matter what we do, believe, hope or think.

then... what is the point of living? if such a being exists?

The Todd

An atheist comes up with a description of god that may be closer than any of the theists.

[biomystic]

(02-26-2010 09:30 AM)Mr Cheese Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 04:49 PM)biomystic Wrote:  ]

Cut-n-pasting other people's ideas is not gnosis of God. My post above was in direct response to the lack of knowledge of God that your sources show.

I never said it was "Gnosis of God".... because I never would, Gnosis is something one must experience.

You still fail to address the fact that you proclaim that:

Everything prior to your writings, from the past 5-10,000 years is wrong

All we need to do is read your website. No Christian for the past 2000 years has understood Jesus, until you.

Yes, you read that right, all we need to do is forget everything, and read your website and book.

Do you not see that such claims are exactly the kind of claims that mad men make?

Do you not see that Jesus himself was declared a mad man? It is the common error of those without Gnosis to mistake those who have been appointed to give revelations of God to accuse those who are so appointed as being lunatics or blasphemers. This is why prophesy bearers were usually persecuted in their lifetimes and only until after they've gone do people realize what they missed.

[X_The Todd_X]

(02-27-2010 06:15 AM)kevlar Wrote:  

(02-27-2010 02:42 AM)X_The Todd_X Wrote:  can you KNOW something that is incomprehensible? i mean, really know it. and is this really "knowledge" or just a feeling? but of course feelings can be misleading, an example would be the phantom limb or an amputee. Your leg feels like its there, but it isn't... and your mind is just messing with you.

could this feeling possibly be a hope or desire to "know"? But then is it really absolute knowledge? no...

The simple answer to this question is that IF... there is a thing that could be considered "god"... it is so massive, so amazing and great, that our minds could not hope to begin to explain its existence. and to try is nothing more than to waste your energy because it is pointless to define. because something so great would mean we, as humans, are insignificant to the point that it wouldn't matter what we do, believe, hope or think.

then... what is the point of living? if such a being exists?

The Todd

An atheist comes up with a description of god that may be closer than any of the theists.

pretty good, eh? i still feel like it needs some elaboration... because i was a bit tired when i wrote it... but this is precisely WHY im an atheist. The existence of a being like what i mentioned about would mean that humanity is pointless. and to me, humanity must have a point and the reason i say this is because i look at such things like love. And love, i mean true love (as corny as that sounds), when you feel it lets you know that there is some purpose to life. something so pure in the temporal world must have a purpose. If god exists, he is greater than love... and to me that is not possible... to me... the presence of love means the absence of god.

im still a little tired... forgive me

The Todd