Peter and the Papacy - The Truth

[TheCatholic]

(03-09-2010 05:09 PM)biomystic Wrote:  All hearsay evidence given well after the fact, hearsay that would be dismissed as inadmissible in a court of law. You have nothing but unsubstantiated Church dogma to back up your beliefs.

You, sir, are a truly ignorant. Any Christian theologian - Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox - studies the Early Fathers, and also Jewish historians such as Flavius Josephus.

And you are also a hypocrite, because you keep flinging that stupid Gospel of Thomas around as if it were Holy Writ. How abouit you apply your own standards to that rag: Prove to us it is real.

Yoy ignore bona fide early Christian writings, and accept some goofy gospel as God's word. You ain't got the sense that God gave to rocks.

[biomystic]

Bearing false witness against your neighbor is against the Commandments. Why do you need to use slander of your critics as a defense for your Catholic beliefs? It only shows the weakness of your beliefs that cannot answer criticism except with name-calling your critics and other childish gestures such as tattling to the principle that you've used here to threaten those who disagree with you.

[TheCatholic]

(03-09-2010 11:53 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Bearing false witness against your neighbor is against the Commandments.......

Now, is that from a part of the Bible you accept? Or part of the Bible you have chosen to trash.

It is YOU who bear false witness, not I. I have said the truth. Don't start quoting things to me from a Bible that you reject.

[biomystic]

(03-10-2010 07:27 AM)TheCatholic Wrote:  

(03-09-2010 11:53 PM)biomystic Wrote:  Bearing false witness against your neighbor is against the Commandments.......

Now, is that from a part of the Bible you accept? Or part of the Bible you have chosen to trash.

It is YOU who bear false witness, not I. I have said the truth. Don't start quoting things to me from a Bible that you reject.

When you start telling the truth it will be a new day for you here. All you really do is act the defender of the faith, often using slander to attack opponents of your faith because you lack logical defenses for your beliefs. I'm not the only one noticing how you as a newbie have quickly resorted to slander and name-calling those who disagree with you. Like I said, using such tactics only shows how weak your arguments are. You continue this false accusation that I reject the Bible when it is evident from my many posts that I use the Bible as a reference source, like we Gnostics do. You want me to idolize the Bible and that's just not ever going to happen-I know too much history of Near Eastern religions for me to ever accept Bible stories as any sort of true account of ancient Holy Land history. But that doesn't mean I reject the spiritual content within the Bible altogether. I don't. There is what I call a "golden thread" of spiritual truth running through the Bible but one has to know how to find it and that takes knowledge of the Bible stories in their historical context, i.e. the outside historical influences of pagan civilizations acting upon the writers of Bible stories. So, knowing this, are you going to bear false witness against me and still accuse me of rejecting the Bible? Or are you going to actually learn how I do incorporate Bible concepts into my Christian path, a path that isn't like yours but for me is the only valid one since I follow the Solitary Path to knowledge of God and bow to no man on earth as my "father" as you have been taught to do.

[TheCatholic]

(03-11-2010 08:36 AM)biomystic Wrote:  When you start telling the truth it will be a new day for you here.....

LOL Look who's talking, the person who makes up their own truths.

So which part of the Bible do you accept and/or reject today?

[todd_vetter33]

Lection XLIV : http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/go...Lection440
The Confession of the Twelve Christ the True Rock
1. AGAIN Jesus sat near the sea, in a circle of twelve palm trees, where he oft resorted, and the Twelve and their fellows came unto him, and they sat under the shade of the trees, and the holy One’ taught them sitting in their midst. 2. And Jesus said unto them, Ye have heard what men in the world say concerning me, but whom do ye say that I am? Peter rose up with Andrew his brother and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God, who descendeth from heaven and dwelleth in the hearts of them who believe and obey unto righteousness. And the rest rose up and said, each after his own manner, These words are true, so we believe. 3. And Jesus answered them saying, Blessed are ye my twelve who believe, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto you, but the spirit of God which dwelleth in you. I indeed am the way, the Truth and the Life; and the Truth understandeth all things. 4. All truth is in God, and I bear witness unto the truth. I am the true Rock, and on this Rock do I build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it, and out of this Rock shall flow rivers of living water to give life to the peoples of the earth. 5. Ye are my chosen twelve. In me, the Head and Corner stone, are the twelve foundations of my house builded on the rock, and on you in me shall my Church be built, and in truth and righteousness shall my Church be established. 6. And ye shall sit on twelve thrones and send forth light and truth to all the twelve tribes of Israel after the Spirit, and I will be with you, even unto the end of the world. 7. But there shall arise after you, men of perverse minds who shall through ignorance or through craft, suppress many things which I have spoken unto you, and lay to me things which I never taught, sowing tares among the good wheat which I have given you to sow in the world. 8. Then shall the truth of God endure the contradiction of sinners, for thus it hath been, and thus it will be. But the time cometh when the things which they have hidden shall be revealed and made known, and the truth shall make free those which were bound. 9. One is your Master, all ye are brethren, and one is not greater than another in the place which I have given unto you, for ye have one Master, even Christ, who is over you and with you and in you, and there is no inequality among my twelve, or their fellows. 10. All are equally near unto me. Strive ye not therefore for the first place, for ye are all first, because ye are the foundation stones and pillars of the Church, built on the truth which is in me and in you, and the truth and the law shall ye establish for all, as shall be given unto you. 11. Verily when ye and your fellows agree together touching anything in my Name, I am in the midst of you and with you. 12. Woe is the time when the spirit of the world entereth into the Church, and my doctrines and precepts are made void through the corruption of men and of women. Woe is the world when the Light is hidden. Woe is the world when these things shall be.

[karma_sleeper]

Sounds similar to Swedenborg and Joseph Smith. I'm suspect of his alleged revelations.