Could someone please explain this Islamic science

[GTseng3]

1. There are many ways to tell its mechanism and function. You might trust the creator of a machine. If the creator is not present, or refuses to speak, you can figure it out by looking at the machine and using reason, logic, and science to deduce its function. However, one should bear in mind that this is a poor analogy for the universe. The universe changes, expands, and grows. Species change with every new generation, and evolve into different species. Stars die, and the stuff of their death is used to spawn more stars and planets. If a machine could do that, then in time it is almost certain that the creator would no longer know the function of his own machine, and thus the only way of discovering its function would be through scientific examination and study.

2. This word "know" is tricky. As I noted earlier, technically we do not "know" about the universe. However, the current scientific theory is well documented. For me, it was when I was around 23 or so, when I began actually looking at the science and I discovered that it made sense. NASA has looked at the background radiation of the universe and all but proven the big bang theory. The knowledge is there if you look for it with an unbiased eye.

3. You're using phrases used often by Muslims trying to pretend the Quran is a scientific predictor. The moon's light is REFLECTED light.

4. Well nowadays we know its true shape because we've seen it from space and measured it in exacting detail. It is not a true sphere, but it is close. Rotation and other forces causes a bit of flattening, and the northern hemisphere is slightly smaller than the southern, if I recall correctly.

5. I think you mean "Axis", and to rotate around its axis is the exact same thing as "revolve." Gravity causes all bodies with mass to move around all other bodies with mass. Movement itself is relative, time and space are not absolute, so it's all rather arbitrary, but the sun is affected by the gravity of other stars, the center of the galaxy, and its planets just as the planets are affected by the sun.

6. The universe may very well be infinite. Current studies tell us that the MATTER in the universe is expanding.

7. "How long we know" is a nonsensical sentence. I'm going to assume that you mean "How long HAVE WE KNOWN". To which I respond - to what degree? The basic concepts have been known since the dawn of civilization.

8. Again, your english is very difficult to decipher. Now, plant biology is not my area of expertise, but if I recall correctly each plant has both "male" and "female" parts in most cases.

9. I actually posted about this in another thread. You're going to then attempt to say that the Quran mentions this. Except the Quran does not mention this. The Quran specifically mentions the Mediterranean sea, which is all salt water. So . . . utter failure there. Plus, the "barrier" described in the Quran is a very, very poor description of the actual function of freshwater flowing into saltwater.

10. We're not made entirely out of water. We have much water in us. We have known that we need water to survive since prehistoric times.

11. Again, to what level of detail? The basics we have known since prehistoric times. Keep in mind prehistoric humans were not stupid, they simply lacked the infrastructure that we have. they can tell that clouds form in layers just by looking at them. They can tell that bees form hives by looking at a beehive. They can tell that humans are made of water by getting thirsty. These are not difficult concepts.

12. Again, since prehistoric times to some level. If we didn't there really would not be a human race, now would there? Besides which, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE QURAN SAYS. It is describing the initial creation of man, NOT man's creation in the womb. Plus, you have to be very, very creative with your interpretation to believe that a fetus looks like a "blood clot," or a "chewed thing".

Now. I want you to answer me some questions.

1. Would you ever beat and torture your children for all of eternity because they disobeyed you?

2. Would you ever torture anyone for doing exactly what you told them to do?

3. What documented, falsifiable evidence do you have that Allah exists?

4. What proof do you have that your particular sect of Islam is true?

5. What will happen to the souls of people who are not Muslim because they were born in, say, a fundamentalist christian America?

6. What should happen to the Jews in Israel?

[kashif]

Hi GT, sorry, I was not running out from the posts, I was out for few hours but I promise I will always answer every of your post. No I am back and writing a reply all your questions. please wait until i send a response.

Sorry again my friend, the other post was only to get same questions in front of other friends also so they also may reply in this regard! Sorry again!

Wait for few minuts and my answers are there~!

[muslim girl]

In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the [censored] outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs

[muslim girl]

"Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water"’
that is a weak Hadeeth

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"read these versus describe the sun prostrating itself before God, but the sun does not move, nor is it within the atmosphere of the earth. So how can this be?"
there is other verse:
"The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare his glory: there is not a thing but celebrates his praise; and yet ye understand not how they declare his glory verily he is oft forbearing, most forgiving"
we do not know how does it prostrating or they declare his glory
the sun set at every secound
each time on some place
that means it is always prostrating

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Man has alkaline water and water of the woman Acidic
If the water of the woman was more, then

Acidic milieu was weakening the movement of sperm carrying male characteristics
And the sperm of female gene will be more active
And the sperm of female gene will be more active

The successful sperm will be that which is with the characteristics of femininity
And impregnate the egg-born

I can not find scientific information proof that is right or wrong

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Now as I read these versus describe the sun prostrating itself before God, but the sun does not move, nor is it within the atmosphere of the earth. So how can this be?
that is Hadeeth and here is it
"Was with the Prophet peace is upon him in the mosque at sunset, he said: (O Abu Dhar, Do you know where the sun sets). I said: Allah and His Messenger know best, he said: (she goes to prostrate beneath the Throne, it says: (And the sun runs to the stable to do so the two verses))"

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there is the other Hadeeth:
"Interview question the rabbi of the Prophet in which] rabbi said: I come to ask you about the boy.
The prophet said: the man water is white water and the woman yellow
If actually they met
And the man water were more than women water then the son will be male
, God willing and
If men water was less then they will have a daughter
God willing"

[Raphael]

RE: Could someone please explain this Islamic science?

is Islamic science different than other science?
maybe I need to start at square one.

namaste

[muslim girl]

(02-26-2010 12:34 PM)Raphael Wrote:  RE: Could someone please explain this Islamic science?

is Islamic science different than other science?
maybe I need to start at square one.

namaste

what does that mean?

[Ahmadi]

(02-26-2010 12:34 PM)Raphael Wrote:  RE: Could someone please explain this Islamic science?

is Islamic science different than other science?

Science is one. There is no Jewish, Christian or Muslim science. Science is study of nature and it is all the same.

Metaphysics of how you interpret science and relate science and religion is different for different religions. In the past the Christians also used to relate their scripture to science as Muslims try to do in this day and age. Here is a quote from Maurice Bucaille:

"The confrontation between the texts of the Scriptures and scientific data has always provided man with food for thought.

It was at first held that corroboration between the scriptures and science was a necessary element to the authenticity of the sacred text. Saint Augustine, in letter No. 82, which we shall quote later on, formally established this principle. As science progressed however it became clear that there were discrepancies between Biblical Scripture and science. It was therefore decided that comparison would no longer be made. Thus a situation arose which today, we are forced to admit, puts Biblical exegetes and scientists in opposition to one another. We cannot, after all, accept a divine Revelation making statements which are totally inaccurate. There was only one way of logically reconciling the two; it lay in not considering a passage containing unacceptable scientific data to be genuine. This solution was not adopted. Instead, the integrity of the text was stubbornly maintained and experts were obliged to adopt a position on the truth of the Biblical Scriptures which, for the scientist, is hardly tenable.

Like Saint Augustine for the Bible, Islam has always assumed that the data contained in the Holy Scriptures were in agreement with scientific fact. A modern examination of the Islamic Revelation has not caused a change in this position."

http://knol.google.com/k/zia-shah/the-bi...umbuyp/28#

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(10-09-2008 02:25 PM)freedomthinker Wrote:  "When he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: ‘O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness"’ (Surah 18:86).

This has a detailed metaphorical meaning, if you care, I could provide links for you.

There are several verses that accurately explain astronomy and cosmology, including sun. But if all the non-Muslims could understand the deep meaning of every verse of the Holy Quran then it will lose its miracle.

Non-Muslims, in my humble opionion should try to judge the positive case only, whether it has merit or a stretch. I suggest three authors for you for now Dr. Maurice Bucaille, Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad and Zia shah. I am providing links for the first two and the third author you can search on Google knol.

http://home.swipnet.se/islam/quran-bible.htm
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/rev...index.html