Last time I checked...

[Heather_1989]

i'm LDS (mormon) and as a person who believes in and follows Jesus Christ i consider myself christian.

in reply to Arend's comment "although i do agree that Jehovha Witnesses is a cult"
what evidence to you have of this?, i mean except for the stuff on the internet.
i mean i have a friend that has read "anti-mormon" literature on the net , quotes/doctrine taken out of context, half truths, outright lies ECT. and confronted me with it, thinking that they know more about the church and our mentality because they've read some crackpot theorys, i assume this is where your "knowledge" of JW comes from aswell.
surely as a member of a faith thats persecuted in a similar way, you should think twice about jumping to conclusions.
don't you realise that your doing exactly the same thing to JW as others o to the lds church?
i'm pretty sure some of our beliefs seem just as strange to outsiders initially
for all i know, they could be a cult, but unless you know this first hand or have some rock solid evidence to back it up, i think you should be less quick to judge

"I'm a Mormon and i think that it is very ignorant to think mormonism is a cult" lol, you said it

[Annolennar]

(08-02-2009 01:09 AM)JacobJo Wrote:  It's so true. I once had a professor who said that "cult" just means "a religion I don't like" most of the time, and since then I've paid a little more attention to it, and it seems true. I may not agree with the JWs, but "cult" doesn't seem like an appropriate description. That would seem to imply Satanic rituals or bloodshed or something crazy like that, which doesn't fit.

I tend to agree with that definition. With the negative connotation that it has gained, "cult" has become a meaningless term, used to label any group with even semi-spiritual beliefs that don't fall within our comfort zone.

I much prefer the old usage, in which the "cultus" was simply the body of pious practices of a given religion. In that sense, every religion has a cult as an integral part of its identity.

[catholicstation]

(11-24-2008 04:23 PM)JonathanT Wrote:  Last time I checked, mormonism isn't considered a form of christianity. It is a cult. Am I right or wrong? I was just wondering because mormonism is put in the christian subsection of these forums.

The Seeker Movement
Seekerism existed at the radical end of the Reformation spectrum.
Although the Primitivist movement began in Europe and England, it flourished in the freer environment of post-Revolutionary America. At first widely scattered, by 1850 the American Primitivists had produced two sects with significant followings: the Disciples of Christ and the Mormons
http://www.signaturebookslibrary.org/see...m#movement

Many Millerites and Mormons including prominent Millerite and Mormon leaders, were Campbellites or belonged to other Restoration Movement sects before converting. Still, there are radical differences between all of these groups. Mormons are never regarded as Evangelical, while several Campellite and Millerite groups are.
[url] http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Millerite[/url]

The missing connecting factor between adventism, restoration movement, mormonism, campbellism, etc is a movement called the Christian Connection Movement, which were a group of boston unitarians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Connection

History of the Shakers

The founder of the United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Coming, Ann Lee, was born in 1736. To avoid religious persecution in England, Ann moved the group to North America in 1774.
The Shakers believed that Ann Lee was the Second Coming, or second embodiment, of the Holy Spirit.
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/shaker/shakers.htm

[JacobJo]

Two issues about the post by catholicstation:

1. I don't see the pertinence of what you've posted... it doesn't present anything about the Christianity of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or its non-Christianity, if that is what you believe.

2. I don't think that you can fairly say that Mormonism is an outgrowth of any of the movements that you talk about. In particular, the Christian Connection Movement (which you cite as the connection) disagrees with the LDS church on many essential points. Beyond this, some other groups (most notably the Shakers), are most closely associated with the Mormons only due to the fact that the LDS Church specifically disagreed with their doctrine. I do not think that posting a paragraph on Shaker doctrine without clarification of this point during a discussion of the Christianity of Mormonism cannot be anything but detrimental to understanding.

I must acknowledge that I cannot be sure whether your post is trying to make a statement about Mormon origins, but its point is sufficiently unclear that I can only assume that this is the case, since this is the only purpose that I could see having any bearing on the issue under discussion. Of course, I could be wrong about that, in which case, please let me know. However, once again, I do think that it would be better if your post was clearer, because I think it does more to promote misunderstanding than anything else.

[Jhonlary]

I accede it is listed beneath Christianity by request.

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[catholicstation]

(09-06-2009 12:40 PM)JacobJo Wrote:  Two issues about the post by catholicstation:

1. I don't see the pertinence of what you've posted... it doesn't present anything about the Christianity of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, or its non-Christianity, if that is what you believe.

2. I don't think that you can fairly say that Mormonism is an outgrowth of any of the movements that you talk about. In particular, the Christian Connection Movement (which you cite as the connection) disagrees with the LDS church on many essential points. Beyond this, some other groups (most notably the Shakers), are most closely associated with the Mormons only due to the fact that the LDS Church specifically disagreed with their doctrine. I do not think that posting a paragraph on Shaker doctrine without clarification of this point during a discussion of the Christianity of Mormonism cannot be anything but detrimental to understanding.

I must acknowledge that I cannot be sure whether your post is trying to make a statement about Mormon origins, but its point is sufficiently unclear that I can only assume that this is the case, since this is the only purpose that I could see having any bearing on the issue under discussion. Of course, I could be wrong about that, in which case, please let me know. However, once again, I do think that it would be better if your post was clearer, because I think it does more to promote misunderstanding than anything else.

Mormons are nothing more than a 19th century recreation of Montanism

movement of the 2nd century It arose in Phrygia (c.172) under the leadership of a certain Montanus

The belief that the prophecies of the Montanists superseded the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles.

1. Called by its followers "the New Prophecy", this movement is known to us as Montanism after its founder Montanus, a convert to Christianity. Around the year 170 he began to proclaim to his fellow believers that he was a prophet, that he was the very mouthpiece of that Spirit which the Lord had promised would "teach all things and guide into all truth" (John 14:26; 16:13).

Montanus was soon joined by two women, Priscilla and Maximilla who like him delivered oracles in a state of ecstacy, speaking not in their own persons but in that of the Holy Spirit.

2. Montanus and his companions represented a revival of the apocalyptic spirit and announced the forthcoming end of the world. The Lord was about to return, and the new Jerusalem would be set up in the vicinity of the town of Pepuza in Phrygia.

Tertullian eventually began to praise celibacy and condemn marriage. In the end, he was excommunicated along with the rest of the Montanists He taught that the Son did not exist as a separate person in the beginning, but was begotten by the Father to accomplish the creation of the world

[TrueBlue?]

Quote:Finally, though, and most telling in my view, is that they didn't want to be considered Christian for most of their history. Only recently have they started claiming to be Christian, so either they've had a radical change of heart as a group, or it is simply better PR to be called "Christian".

I don't think I would associate with a group that persecuted one for their beliefs, stole lands, raped their women and children, killed men, women and children because they believed differently. Unfortunately this is the only kind of christian the Mormons ever dealt with.

Quote:One, they believe that God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all totally seperate beings

I don't think different interpretation of scripture qualifies. There are hundreds of different christian sects due to the fact that they all have a different interpretation of scripture. Funny Justin Martyr (christian apologist born around 100 A.D.) was the first Christian Martyr and made a saint for it, in his interview with Trypho the Jew he makes a clear case for how God the Father is different and separate person from God the Son. And uses the Old Testament to prove it. Interesting how history repeats itself. The Pharisees used the same argument about one God thing claiming the Christians were heretical for believing in more than one God and Christ could not have been God's son because of their only being one God. Now modern Christians have completely digressed from the Christian Fathers, such as Justyn Martyr and now are the ones claiming one being.

[Azrael17]

(11-24-2008 04:23 PM)JonathanT Wrote:  Last time I checked, mormonism isn't considered a form of christianity. It is a cult. Am I right or wrong? I was just wondering because mormonism is put in the christian subsection of these forums.

How do you think the people who Wrote the Gospels survived to Write them!

They had to hide and Worship in Secret and at First All Christians where a Cult!

I see a Cult as some thing with Secrets as a group who thinks it will be persecuted based on it's beliefs if they are found out.
So not all Mormons would fall into that. Quite a few Mormons are not afraid of persecution!
A cult is any group that people blinded follow the teachings of with out every asking,
"Why are we doing this and how is it suppose to help us in any way."


Jesus the man that Christianity was built upon seemed to detest Ritualistic behavior!

A long time ago there was a man named John the Baptist that people thought went insane,
He lived in the Wilderness next to a River and ate Bugs as food.
He kept preaching Strange things such as,
"Your sins can be forgiven if I wash you in the River", he would even claim that blood didn't need to be spilled to Repent. So one day an Angel of God comes to John and tells him the messiah is coming and you must preach that he is coming. So John went out and stood along the roads near the River and yelled "the Messiah is Coming" at any one who went by. Every one was convinced that John was crazy.
Well one day Jesus came before him and John realized that Jesus was the Messiah and John baptized Jesus but some time after the baptism John was arrested and was killed. He was killed because people thought he would become a dangerous cult leader.
Jesus was killed because the Pharisees wanted people to pay for Blood Sacrifices that you had to buy from the Temple and one day Jesus stormed into the Temple with out paying and worshiped after he worshiped he snapped at the Pharisees and yelled at them, a few days later the Pharisees had him killed for Questioning Them and their beliefs but they called it Blasphemy!

True Christians think that Hypocrisy is wrong and will stand up when faced with it even at the cost of their own life a true Christian would rather be killed than allow some one to be killed.
Today we have allot of Fake Greedy Christians that are no different than the Pharisees of Jesus's time!

[may]

(01-25-2009 08:44 AM)Pilgrim Wrote:  

(01-24-2009 03:58 PM)twenty-two20 Wrote:  

Absolutely, they are a cult group as are the Jehovas Witnesses

sorry , you need to do your homework , JEHOVAHS WITNESSES are not a cult ,their leader is JESUS CHRIST many people think many things, but not always according to accurate knowledge

[Parousia]

(02-08-2010 02:47 AM)may Wrote:  

(01-25-2009 08:44 AM)Pilgrim Wrote:  

(01-24-2009 03:58 PM)twenty-two20 Wrote:  

Absolutely, they are a cult group as are the Jehovas Witnesses

sorry , you need to do your homework , JEHOVAHS WITNESSES are not a cult ,their leader is JESUS CHRIST many people think many things, but not always according to accurate knowledge

I think it is just that old story again, "WE are a religion. THEY are a cult."

But I agree with you. Cults do not let people go. JWs have requirements for participating. I know a JW who cannot go to Kingdom Hall because she cannot forgive someone who killed her son.